on a single web page, and each such tag points to an image creating php file that sends out image headers and image data after receiving certain data parameters through POST. I am unable to figure out how to send POST data to a URL path that is embedded inside an img tag (...and not even sure if that is indeed the right way to do it). I need to use POST since there is a limitation on the length of the GET vars. I tried using curl (never used it before and just learnt about it) to replace the entire img tag...something like this: $imgurl = curl_init(); curl_setopt($imgurl, CURLOPT_URL, '/path/to/file.php'); curl_setopt($imgurl, CURLOPT_POST, 1); curl_setopt($imgurl, CURLOPT_POST,'datastuff='.$datastuff); curl_exec($imgurl); curl_close($imgurl); Nothing much happens if I do that. I know I can avoid this approach by simply using session variables but I am curious if there is an alternative approach to this. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks in advance, Best Regards, Nefertitian. From jonbaer at jonbaer.com Mon Oct 15 18:50:44 2007 From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:50:44 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to submit POST vars via html image tags In-Reply-To: <3E6F267FA8AEC34B88F8E679637000630C86C5@S48286.vpproperty.com> References: <330532b60710150923p5a5c7c68q1ba515d74490f977@mail.gmail.com> <3E6F267FA8AEC34B88F8E679637000630C86C5@S48286.vpproperty.com> Message-ID: <9173DAA6-B3D1-4C64-A34F-811B01F291C9@jonbaer.com> No post data is being sent, It should be ... curl_setopt($imgurl, CURLOPT_POSTFIELDS, 'datastuff='.$datastuff); - Jon On Oct 15, 2007, at 6:36 PM, ali mohammad wrote: > Hello, > > Hopefully, this is not off-topic. I have a couple of html image tags > such as

on a single web page, and each > such tag points to an image creating php file that sends out image > headers and image data after receiving certain data parameters through > POST. I am unable to figure out how to send POST data to a URL path > that > is embedded inside an img tag (...and not even sure if that is indeed > the right way to do it). > > I need to use POST since there is a limitation on the length of the > GET > vars. I tried using curl (never used it before and just learnt > about it) > to replace the entire img tag...something like this: > > $imgurl = curl_init(); > curl_setopt($imgurl, CURLOPT_URL, '/path/to/file.php'); > curl_setopt($imgurl, CURLOPT_POST, 1); > curl_setopt($imgurl, CURLOPT_POST,'datastuff='.$datastuff); > curl_exec($imgurl); > curl_close($imgurl); > > Nothing much happens if I do that. I know I can avoid this approach by > simply using session variables but I am curious if there is an > alternative approach to this. Any help is much appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > > Best Regards, > Nefertitian. > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From nelly at cgim.com Mon Oct 15 22:02:51 2007 From: nelly at cgim.com (Nelly Yusupova) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:02:51 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] 40 Tips for optimizing your php Code Message-ID: <200710160203.l9G232j7014825@ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Hello Everyone, I just read 40 Tips for optimizing your php code post and wanted to share it with you all: http://reinholdweber.com/?p=3 Sincerely, Nelly Yusupova Webgrrls International nelly at cgim.com http://www.webgrrls.com From mancinic at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 08:02:43 2007 From: mancinic at gmail.com (Christopher M Mancini) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:02:43 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] 40 Tips for optimizing your php Code In-Reply-To: <200710160203.l9G232j7014825@ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com> References: <200710160203.l9G232j7014825@ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <84caf2b90710160502l4afce46fg972741fc2d5efb50@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I am not familiar with this site or its author? Is this list credible? Because some of the things on there I have never heard before. Chris On 10/15/07, Nelly Yusupova wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > I just read 40 Tips for optimizing your php code post and wanted to share > it > with you all: > > http://reinholdweber.com/?p=3 > > Sincerely, > Nelly Yusupova > Webgrrls International > nelly at cgim.com > http://www.webgrrls.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > -- <------------------------- Sincerely, Christopher M Mancini mancinic at gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/buffaloit http://blog.itrealm.net --------------------------> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dcech at phpwerx.net Tue Oct 16 08:06:10 2007 From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:06:10 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] 40 Tips for optimizing your php Code In-Reply-To: <200710160203.l9G232j7014825@ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com> References: <200710160203.l9G232j7014825@ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <4714A932.5040700@phpwerx.net> Nelly Yusupova wrote: > I just read 40 Tips for optimizing your php code post and wanted to share it > with you all: > > http://reinholdweber.com/?p=3 Definitely an interesting article, but a little short-sighted. For the vast majority of PHP applications, the biggest speed improvements are made by reducing the size of the pages generated (to minimize the time in transit) and optimizing the database (efficient layout, proper indexes and optimized queries). Every little bit helps, but the impact of most of those tweaks is marginal compared to the gains to be found in those 2 areas for most systems. Dan From lists at enobrev.com Tue Oct 16 08:17:10 2007 From: lists at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:17:10 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] 40 Tips for optimizing your php Code In-Reply-To: <84caf2b90710160502l4afce46fg972741fc2d5efb50@mail.gmail.com> References: <200710160203.l9G232j7014825@ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <84caf2b90710160502l4afce46fg972741fc2d5efb50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4714ABC6.9070609@enobrev.com> Christopher M Mancini wrote: > Hi, > I am not familiar with this site or its author? Is this list > credible? Because some of the things on there I have never heard before. Looks to be a summary of a bunch of other php optimization articles. I've seen most of these tips in one form or another in the past. Though a lot of these will give you minimally incremental speed increases, optimization tends to be application specific. Nothing beats profiling an entire application and speeding up the slowest areas. Besides caching, following all of these points, you might shave a few ms off of every request, but if you rewrite a slow database layer or slow template engine or properly index your database and optimize your queries (as Dan mentioned), you may very well notice speed increases in multiples of 10 and 100. Mark From ps at sun-code.com Tue Oct 16 08:42:26 2007 From: ps at sun-code.com (Peter Sawczynec) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:42:26 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_REQUEST: Bad Form? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003301c80ff2$01fba370$05f2ea50$@com> $_REQUEST provides an opportunity of some degree for a hack and/or an attack against a script or application. Worst case secenario is the you as new programmer on a complex legacy application that incorporates $_REQUEST has actually taken over a script product that has willful backdoor hacks integrated into the programming, such as that deep in some large class object or buried in a benign PHP include file there could plausably be functionality that is expecting and operating on variables that can at anytime be forced into the script logic stream by simply adding them to the URL GET or POST data. The above noted is clearly a very bad worst case, but has a higher probability of occurring that you might first consider becasue statistically more black hat attacks and breakins occur from inside people inside the company rather that external attackers. Now if you employ sanitizing techniques on all your variables that not only cleans up the expected varibales but additionally proactively destroys or denies all other unexpected variables than you might be Okay. For example, in my last sanitizing scheme, I maintained a white list array of expected variable names and all REQUEST data was first compared against the white list before it was operated on. All other variable names not on the white list were not only ignored but explicitly destroyed. Additionally, in a script when I was expecting POST data, I explicitly destroyed the GET data. The additional rub of dealing with GET, POST and COOKIE data with the same variable names is also a potential downside that might not affect you but might trip up a future programmer who works on your code later. I think the case against using $_REQUEST is fairly solid and if an existing script is allowing other users and applications from anywhere in the world to essentially submit any kind of variables by any method they please, then we might have a 'situation' of some sort on our hands that likely needs careful review and re-review. Warmest regards, ? Peter Sawczynec Technology Dir. Sun-code Interactive Sun-code.com 646.316.3678 ps at sun-code.com -----Original Message----- From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Brian D. Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:00 PM To: NYPHP Talk Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_REQUEST: Bad Form? I can't find where I read it originally, but somewhere I've been told or read that "using $_REQUEST is bad form." I understand that in cases where you want to force a $_POST request, but if you might receive $_GET or $_POST then isn't is better than doing if/elses? The only related thing I could find on Google was this guy ( http://mypetprogrammer.com/blog/?p=15 ) but he seems to erroneously believe that using $_POST somehow saves you from a SQL injection attack. I'm also thinking that some servers don't use the $_REQUEST array. Can you define why it's bad form? When is it considered acceptable to use? Thanks! - B. _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From ken at secdat.com Tue Oct 16 09:03:00 2007 From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:03:00 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] 40 Tips for optimizing your php Code In-Reply-To: <4714A932.5040700@phpwerx.net> References: <200710160203.l9G232j7014825@ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <4714A932.5040700@phpwerx.net> Message-ID: <4714B684.3000607@secdat.com> Dan Cech wrote: > Nelly Yusupova wrote: > >> I just read 40 Tips for optimizing your php code post and wanted to share it >> with you all: >> >> http://reinholdweber.com/?p=3 >> > > Definitely an interesting article, but a little short-sighted. > I would say incomplete, or perhaps cart-before-horse. As many have pointed out, the big two are database optimization and size of return payload. Everything else is single-digit percentages after that. Once you've got the db stuff down though, it seems it can't hurt to develop habits to use code known to be slightly faster, like the single-quote vs. double-quote thing. -- Kenneth Downs Secure Data Software, Inc. www.secdat.com www.andromeda-project.org 631-689-7200 Fax: 631-689-0527 cell: 631-379-0010 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would say incomplete, or perhaps cart-before-horse. As many have pointed out, the big two are database optimization and size of return payload. Everything else is single-digit percentages after that. Once you've got the db stuff down though, it seems it can't hurt to develop habits to use code known to be slightly faster, like the single-quote vs. double-quote thing. -- Kenneth Downs Secure Data Software, Inc. www.secdat.com www.andromeda-project.org 631-689-7200 Fax: 631-689-0527 cell: 631-379-0010 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dcech at phpwerx.net Tue Oct 16 09:34:13 2007 From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:34:13 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] 40 Tips for optimizing your php Code In-Reply-To: <4714B684.3000607@secdat.com> References: <200710160203.l9G232j7014825@ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <4714A932.5040700@phpwerx.net> <4714B684.3000607@secdat.com> Message-ID: <4714BDD5.6020407@phpwerx.net> Kenneth Downs wrote: > Dan Cech wrote: >> Nelly Yusupova wrote: >> >>> I just read 40 Tips for optimizing your php code post and wanted to >>> share it >>> with you all: >>> >>> http://reinholdweber.com/?p=3 >> >> Definitely an interesting article, but a little short-sighted. > > I would say incomplete, or perhaps cart-before-horse. > > As many have pointed out, the big two are database optimization and size > of return payload. Everything else is single-digit percentages after that. > > Once you've got the db stuff down though, it seems it can't hurt to > develop habits to use code known to be slightly faster, like the > single-quote vs. double-quote thing. Absolutely there are tips in there which are valuable, but by the same token there are many which are of marginal value. For example, the 'tip' regarding checking the length of a string (33). While the method advocated may save a couple of cycles, it adds another level of obscurity to the code which will make it that much less readable and maintainable in the future, especially if you are not the one doing the maintaining. The tips I would consider worthwhile are: 5. Unset your variables to free memory, especially large arrays. This is a good practice and can help out greatly if you are operating on large data sets. 15. Turn on apache's mod_deflate 42. mod_gzip which is available as an Apache module compresses your data on the fly and can reduce the data to transfer up to 80% These are really the same tip, compressing output can increase speed if your pages are large or your clients are on slow connections. 16. Close your database connections when you're done with them If you are using non-persistent connections this is a good idea and will help you to avoid having old connections hanging around on the db server. If you're running on a dedicated machine persistent connections are even better (don't use persistent connections on a machine hosting multiple different applications). 17. $row['id'] is 7 times faster than $row[id] This is elementary, and if you are developing with error_reporting E_ALL (as you should) you would know that php will try to resolve id as a constant if it is not quoted. 28. Surrounding your string by ' instead of " will make things interpret a little faster since php looks for variables inside "..." but not inside '...'. Of course you can only do this when you don't need to have variables in the string. I subscribe to the single quotes school of thought, mostly because I find it much easier to locate variables when reading the code. Also, if the string you are building is destined for html, sql or a url the variables should be escaped anyway. Using single-quotes and escaping inline makes it trivial to spot where this isn't being done. $name = $_GET['name']; // 10 lines of code echo 'Your Name: '. htmlentities($name); vs $name = htmlentities($_GET['name']); // 10 lines of code echo "Your Name: $name"; If you get into the habit of using the first format (I define a function h() as a shortcut for htmlentities()) you will be able to spot instantly any place you forget to properly escape $name. With the second format I guarantee you won't. 31. Your PHP scripts are recompiled every time unless the scripts are cached. Install a PHP caching product to typically increase performance by 25-100% by removing compile times. 32. Cache as much as possible. Use memcached - memcached is a high-performance memory object caching system intended to speed up dynamic web applications by alleviating database load. OP code caches are useful so that your script does not have to be compiled on every request Good advice, and can definitely provide huge speed increases. 41. Profile your code. A profiler shows you, which parts of your code consumes how many time. The Xdebug debugger already contains a profiler. Profiling shows you the bottlenecks in overview This is the kicker, and will tell you where YOU can make gains with YOUR code. If you want more speed, start by profiling your code and you will be able to tell exactly where to focus your efforts for maximum results. Dan From dcech at phpwerx.net Tue Oct 16 09:38:31 2007 From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:38:31 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] 40 Tips for optimizing your php Code In-Reply-To: <002d01c80ff5$78f00860$6ad01920$@com> References: <200710160203.l9G232j7014825@ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <4714A932.5040700@phpwerx.net> <4714B684.3000607@secdat.com> <002d01c80ff5$78f00860$6ad01920$@com> Message-ID: <4714BED7.8000002@phpwerx.net> Anthony Wlodarski wrote: > Can you point me in the right direction for articles pertaining to database optimization techniques? If you are using MySQL I highly recommend getting familiar with the concepts here: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/optimization.html For a more gentle introduction, try google: http://www.google.com/search?q=optimizing+mysql Dan From jeffmailings99 at verizon.net Tue Oct 16 11:20:22 2007 From: jeffmailings99 at verizon.net (Jeff Siegel) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:20:22 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] From Rails back to PHP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There's definitely something to be said for cross-language conceptual polinization. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Keith Casey Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:18 PM To: NYPHP Talk Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] From Rails back to PHP On 10/15/07, Mitch Pirtle wrote: > However, I can agree with one sentiment that the author has - working > in Rails has made me a better PHP developer, with better application > design and semantics. And PHP has the flexibility for me to go beyond > that world, whether that is good or bad is up for debate though > *laugh* But that's not exclusive to Rails... I think being versed in multiple languages causes this inherently. I came to PHP from a long history with Java and Struts, so I tend to approach things in an OO-manner with a heavy focus on Unit Testing and MVC. Stealing... er.. sharing good ideas and lessons learned only helps. kc - From cliff at pinestream.com Tue Oct 16 13:26:39 2007 From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:26:39 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Php file owner, group and permissions Message-ID: For the php, html, css, image, & javascript files in a web application, who should be the owner and group? (assume a dedicated server). Should the owner be a user, Apache, a username that is specific to the application? Should the group be apache? What is the best permission level? 644, 640? 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In that case having the files owned by the user that php will run as is usually safe. Alternatively you can use group writable permissions. If you don't have to write to the file system the owner of the files is not so important so long as the files that you want the world to read are world readable. My .02 --Mike H -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliff at pinestream.com Tue Oct 16 14:53:23 2007 From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:53:23 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Php file owner, group and permissions In-Reply-To: <8B769B0C-8C94-4F60-8458-6908C0C42D88@gmail.com> Message-ID: >I'd say it really depends You?re making me think here! > > (you must have seen that one coming haha). If your web application needs to > write to files then those files need to be writable to someone, and it's > better imho to be writable by a specific user than "the world". In that case > having the files owned by the user that php will run as is usually safe. > Alternatively you can use group writable permissions. If you don't have to > write to the file system the owner of the files is not so important so long as > the files that you want the world to read are world readable.? > > My .02 > > --Mike H > I guess I have to see how apache/php is running ? I?m guess as ?nobody? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sequethin at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 15:11:57 2007 From: sequethin at gmail.com (Michael Hernandez) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:11:57 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Php file owner, group and permissions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92F479A6-4FC7-495F-BF73-2BE1CCDC02CB@gmail.com> On Oct 16, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Cliff Hirsch wrote: > >I'd say it really depends > You?re making me think here! >> >> (you must have seen that one coming haha). If your web >> application needs to write to files then those files need to be >> writable to someone, and it's better imho to be writable by a >> specific user than "the world". In that case having the files >> owned by the user that php will run as is usually safe. >> Alternatively you can use group writable permissions. If you don't >> have to write to the file system the owner of the files is not so >> important so long as the files that you want the world to read are >> world readable. >> >> My .02 >> >> --Mike H >> I guess I have to see how apache/php is running ? I?m guess as >> ?nobody? > _______________________________________________ well if apache is running as nobody, php is running as nobody (most likely) and that's a case where I'd say you might want to reconfigure things so that apache/php run as a different user. Most of the time when I've seen nobody, there are lots of daemons running as nobody and it might not be a good idea to have so much running as nobody (in case someone manages to hijack something else that's running as nobody). Creating a user like www might work, but as you know it all depends. Also, keep in mind that if you chown stuff to a user that is not a login user and you have shell users that need to edit those files you will run into a problem (but that's where group perms really do come in handy). My shared host chowns files that they want me to be able to edit to my shell user, with the group being a special group they have created for process segregation. For files they don't want me to edit (some special log files mostly), they chown those files to the segregated "apache user". On the servers at my office anyone who needs to edit files is also trusted with sudo rights (very few of us) so we can edit any file on the system regardless of who owns the file. If you are the only user you might not need to worry about that as much but (last time I promise...) it depends ;) Again it's really only a problem if your PHP has to write to files on the system and not strictly to some mysql db, for example. As long as the php interpreter and apache (and of course, the world, that is - web browsers) can see the files you should be alright. Hope it helps! --Mike H -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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First, I have created an alpha version of a very exciting new user interface design and concept. Heavily ajax-based, it aims to beat the desktop for usability. The main thrust is heavy use of the keyboard, and having events happen in realtime. So if a user is on the "First Name" box and hits "F", it pulls the first 15 rows where the name starts with "F", no need to click "Search" or anything like that. We put in things that desktop users expect, like arrow keys! Hit SHIFT-UPARROW and it sorts on the column you are on, stuff like that. The new UI is in alpha, I believe there is enough there to see what it is about. We are looking for volunteers to help get it going in IE (Right now only firefox) and to round out the design ideas and finish it up. The live demo is at: http://dhost2.secdat.com/develop. If you just login, then go to the "new x4 version" link and hit the number 0, it should be self-explanatory from there. Next, I've modified the main Andromeda page to get the long-overdue news articles features. So bookmark the Andromeda page http://www.andromeda-project.org and check back at least once/week, there will be a lot of announcements coming out. Third, I've added HELP WANTED postings over at the sourceforge site: http://sourceforge.net/people/?group_id=188856. If you want to help but don't know what to do, that will get you started. Fourth, we have our first unofficial code contributor down here on Long Island who has been working with Andromeda and giving me tweaks. More on that once he gets back from vacation and "goes public" as it were. More later! -- Kenneth Downs Secure Data Software, Inc. www.secdat.com www.andromeda-project.org 631-689-7200 Fax: 631-689-0527 cell: 631-379-0010 From cliff at pinestream.com Tue Oct 16 18:27:27 2007 From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:27:27 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Php file owner, group and permissions In-Reply-To: <92F479A6-4FC7-495F-BF73-2BE1CCDC02CB@gmail.com> Message-ID: well if apache is running as nobody, php is running as nobody (most likely) and that's a case where I'd say you might want to reconfigure things so that apache/php run as a different user. Most of the time when I've seen nobody, there are lots of daemons running as nobody and it might not be a good idea to have so much running as nobody (in case someone manages to hijack something else that's running as nobody). Creating a user like www might work, but as you know it all depends. Also, keep in mind that if you chown stuff to a user that is not a login user and you have shell users that need to edit those files you will run into a problem (but that's where group perms really do come in handy). > > My shared host chowns files that they want me to be able to edit to my shell > user, with the group being a special group they have created for process > segregation. For files they don't want me to edit (some special log files > mostly), they chown those files to the segregated "apache user". On the > servers at my office anyone who needs to edit files is also trusted with sudo > rights (very few of us) so we can edit any file on the system regardless of > who owns the file. If you are the only user you might not need to worry about > that as much but (last time I promise...) it depends ;) > > Again it's really only a problem if your PHP has to write to files on the > system and not strictly to some mysql db, for example. As long as the php > interpreter and apache (and of course, the world, that is - web browsers) can > see the files you should be alright. > > Hope it helps! > > --Mike H > Mike: Many thanks. This was really helpful. My strategy is already formulating. A brew or two and it will be solidified.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tommyo at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 22:51:57 2007 From: tommyo at gmail.com (Thomas O'Neill) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:51:57 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] From Rails back to PHP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree with kc, I think its pretty interesting how all these people that are into rails act like MVC and ORM where invented there. I too have worked with Struts, Hibernate and other J2EE tools but I realize that MVC was not invented there either. MVC and other design patterns are just that, Design Patterns, they can be implemented in a number of development environments. Tom ONeill > But that's not exclusive to Rails... I think being versed in multiple > languages causes this inherently. I came to PHP from a long history > with Java and Struts, so I tend to approach things in an OO-manner > with a heavy focus on Unit Testing and MVC. > > Stealing... er.. sharing good ideas and lessons learned only helps. > > kc > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bz-gmort at beezifies.com Wed Oct 17 09:31:38 2007 From: bz-gmort at beezifies.com (bz-gmort at beezifies.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:31:38 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paypal Developer Day Message-ID: <47160EBA.4010900@beezifies.com> I just received an email announcement that Paypal will be holding 2 developer day presentations(9AM to 5PM) in New York. One in Brooklyn on November 8th, and one in Manhattan on November 9th. It's a free all day presentation, plus you can take their "certification" exam for free at the event(whatever that means). I don't have a direct link to the event(or rather, my direct link emailed to me is tied to my Paypal account) so if your interested you will need to sign up for their developer network and than look for the announcement on their site. From donnamarievincent at yahoo.com Wed Oct 17 14:31:13 2007 From: donnamarievincent at yahoo.com (Donna Marie Vincent) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: [joomla] Paypal Developer Day Message-ID: <456729.96802.qm@web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The URL is www.paypal.com/developerday ----- Original Message ---- From: "bz-gmort at beezifies.com" To: Joomla ; NYPHP Talk Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:31:38 AM Subject: [joomla] Paypal Developer Day I just received an email announcement that Paypal will be holding 2 developer day presentations(9AM to 5PM) in New York. One in Brooklyn on November 8th, and one in Manhattan on November 9th. It's a free all day presentation, plus you can take their "certification" exam for free at the event(whatever that means). I don't have a direct link to the event(or rather, my direct link emailed to me is tied to my Paypal account) so if your interested you will need to sign up for their developer network and than look for the announcement on their site. _______________________________________________ New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken at secdat.com Wed Oct 17 15:21:54 2007 From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:21:54 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] I think this is an encoding issue? Message-ID: <471660D2.3030603@secdat.com> I'm wondering if somebody knows whats up here. I'm writing does in OO.org. Then I export them to xhtml. Those files I parse with PHP and output HTML. On my laptop this works out just fine. But on the production server you will see problem squiggly stuff instead of double-quotes, as on this page: http://www.andromeda-project.org/pages/cms/Making+Hyperlinks Can somebody give me a clue where to start Googling on this? -- Kenneth Downs Secure Data Software, Inc. www.secdat.com www.andromeda-project.org 631-689-7200 Fax: 631-689-0527 cell: 631-379-0010 From bz-gmort at beezifies.com Wed Oct 17 15:26:19 2007 From: bz-gmort at beezifies.com (bz-gmort at beezifies.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:26:19 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] I think this is an encoding issue? In-Reply-To: <471660D2.3030603@secdat.com> References: <471660D2.3030603@secdat.com> Message-ID: <471661DB.9020502@beezifies.com> Kenneth Downs wrote: > I'm wondering if somebody knows whats up here. > > I'm writing does in OO.org. As far as I know, you need bucks to write does. From ken at secdat.com Wed Oct 17 15:29:23 2007 From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:29:23 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] I think this is an encoding issue? In-Reply-To: <471661DB.9020502@beezifies.com> References: <471660D2.3030603@secdat.com> <471661DB.9020502@beezifies.com> Message-ID: <47166293.1000109@secdat.com> bz-gmort at beezifies.com wrote: > Kenneth Downs wrote: >> I'm wondering if somebody knows whats up here. >> >> I'm writing does in OO.org. > > As far as I know, you need bucks to write does. Not to worry, I'll be bagging one in about a month... > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php -- Kenneth Downs Secure Data Software, Inc. www.secdat.com www.andromeda-project.org 631-689-7200 Fax: 631-689-0527 cell: 631-379-0010 From ajai at bitblit.net Wed Oct 17 15:41:23 2007 From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycphp-talk] I think this is an encoding issue? In-Reply-To: <471660D2.3030603@secdat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Kenneth Downs wrote: > I'm writing does in OO.org. Then I export them to xhtml. Those files I > parse with PHP and output HTML. > > On my laptop this works out just fine. But on the production server you > will see problem squiggly stuff instead of double-quotes, as on this page: > > http://www.andromeda-project.org/pages/cms/Making+Hyperlinks > > Can somebody give me a clue where to start Googling on this? Yeah, looks like you're using a character set that isn't one used commonly on web browsers. You maybe have it installed on your computer so it works there. In Firefox on my machine, I see the following header sent with the HTTP request: Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 So Im guessing that you need to use this encoding. -- Aj. From jellicle at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 16:21:58 2007 From: jellicle at gmail.com (Michael Sims) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:21:58 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] I think this is an encoding issue? In-Reply-To: <471660D2.3030603@secdat.com> References: <471660D2.3030603@secdat.com> Message-ID: <200710171621.58627.jellicle@gmail.com> On October 17, 2007, Kenneth Downs wrote: > I'm wondering if somebody knows whats up here. > > I'm writing does in OO.org. Then I export them to xhtml. Those files I > parse with PHP and output HTML. > > On my laptop this works out just fine. But on the production server you > will see problem squiggly stuff instead of double-quotes, as on this > page: > > http://www.andromeda-project.org/pages/cms/Making+Hyperlinks > > Can somebody give me a clue where to start Googling on this? When that page is sent, the web server is telling my browser that it's in ISO-8859-1. It isn't. It's UTF-8. For Firefox, choose View, Character Encoding, UTF-8, and suddenly the page will be rendered correctly, because you told your browser to ignore what the webserver told it and render the page in UTF-8. If I look at the headers that the webserver sent with the page, I see: ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:07:32 GMT Server: Apache X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.2-pl1-gentoo Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT Cache-Control: private Pragma: no-cache Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100 Connection: Keep-Alive Transfer-Encoding: chunked Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 200 OK -------------------------------- See that second to last line? That's wrong (as in, it doesn't match the page you're serving). So either you need to write your app in ISO-8859-1, or you need to tell your webserver to serve the proper header. You can do it in Apache or in PHP. Here's a page of useful info: http://www.w3.org/International/O-HTTP-charset Probably the server on your laptop is configured slightly differently than the production server. What *I* would do to solve this problem is get rid of the fancy curly quotes altogether. They are nothing but trouble. While curly quotes in books (dialogue) are nice for readability, where you're using them they're definitely wrong. That is, if you write: this is not correct HTML. HTML calls for the double-tick mark, not whatever the curly quote character is, so if you cut-and-paste that into an HTML document, it won't parse. You can turn off the curly quotes in OpenOffice's options, so that it won't auto-convert the double-tick mark for you anymore. Michael Sims From hafezadnan at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 07:57:44 2007 From: hafezadnan at gmail.com (hafez ahmad) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:57:44 +0300 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Kannel with PHP Message-ID: Hi All, I need to use Kannel(http://www.kannel.org/) with PHP , I search for useful tutorials but I did not find anything useful, did any body use it? can you please help me with some links ? -- thanks Hafez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bz-gmort at beezifies.com Thu Oct 18 08:59:42 2007 From: bz-gmort at beezifies.com (bz-gmort at beezifies.com) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:59:42 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Kannel with PHP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471758BE.8050102@beezifies.com> Keep in mind, the primary purpose of Kannel is to allow a linux box to send SMS messages either through a cell phone, or through another SMS provider. As such, your not going to find a lot directly on Kannel and PHP, it's not relevant. The codeword to search for is: SMPP, MM1 and MM7 . I will note that a brief google search doesn't show much good info. Mainly, I believe, because the protocols themselves are so simple and trivial, that once you implement it most people don't even see it being worth their time to document. There does seem to be a PEAR library for SMPP, http://pear.php.net/package/Net_SMPP_Client That one seems to be targetted for communicating with your own PHP built SMPP server using the SMPP Server pear module. However, assuming the protocol calls follow the standards, you should be able to use it with Kannels as well. There is also one for "SMS" http://pear.php.net/package/Net_SMS Browsing that package, it looks like a generic set of interfaces to either clickatell, vodafone, a generic smtp to SMS gateway, and a generic http gateway. I'd attack the solution in stages. Stage 1: Download and setup your PHP script to use the ClickATell PHP libary. Spend a few bucks on buying credits from them, and get your PHP programming working first. Stage 2a: Get your kannel server configured and working correctly. IIRC it comes with a simply web interface for sending SMS messages. Since this is a simple post/get to a URL, you can adapt your PHP program to post the message data through the web interface. OR Stage 2b: Give the Pear SMPP module a try with ClickATell, since they do support the SMPP protocol. If you can get it working with a generic set of function calls, than in stage 3 try Kannel with SMPP. Stage 3: Look into MM7, MM1, or SMPP and work out the protocols and then adapt your ClickATell script for Kannel(make new functions to replace the ClickATell ones that implement the SMS protocol you choose) One thing I'd recommend is hunting around for C SDK's for SMS messages and compiling their samples to give you a command line interface for testing against the various protocols. IE if you can get a stock SMPP based command line program sending messages, than you know you aren't dealing with problems in your protocols. Another alternative is to give NowSMS a try, as their forums are a bit more well trafficed for integration solutions, and then switch to Kannel once you have NowSMS funcitoning(NowSMS is a *shudder* windows program that provides the same functionality as Kannel+Mbuni ie SMS and MMS messages. IIRC the lowest license for it was 500-1000, with a 60 day demo. Worth giving it a try to jumpstart development, and then determining once you have everything working if it is more cost effective to buy the license or fiddle with Kannel, and then Mbuni if your looking for MMS messages) As a last alternative, my memory also prods me that Kannel comes with a a sample program for processing email messages and converting them to SMS messages. So for purely sending messages, you can give that a try. Hmmmm, so...after all of that, I guess my first question should have been: What is it you want to do with PHP regarding cell phone messaging? Send text messages? Send text and multimedia messages(ClickATell can't send multimedia without hoops)? Receive text messages(ClickATell falls flat there). Receive text and multimedia messages? And do you want to do this with an attached cell phone, or through a text message service?(Kannel supports both). (I've looked into and played with SMS on a number of occassions, but the either the projects never materialized so I didn't take it to the implementation level, or I found a commercial interface such as ClickATell, which worked out to be more cost effective). Lastly, now that I've given you all the various bits and pieces, here is my advice: For pure text messages, assuming you were considering Kannel, forget EVERYTHING I said above. Your wasting time on a single solution. If you can run a Kannel server, than you can run an AIM message bot. So you can send text messages by AIM. And AIM will send text messages to most cell phone carriers - for free and without sticking advertising on them. So if you implement a PHP to AIM gateway instead, you will have 2 way functionality, the ability to send messages to instant message clients AND cell phones, and if your smart and use a multi-system connector like your own jabber server, you can send messages to most other major instant message applications. From dell at sala.ca Thu Oct 18 15:05:56 2007 From: dell at sala.ca (Dell Sala) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:05:56 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paging Strategies Message-ID: Every time I implement paging for search results I end up using different approaches, but I'm never happy with any of them. Am I missing a simpler, more "correct" solution here? Here's what I've tried: 1) TWO-QUERY APPROACH on every page view: - step 1: execute search query with a "SELECT count(*) " to get the total record count - step 2: run the search again with the appropriate LIMIT clause to retrieve the records I need for the current page 2) ONE QUERY, SEEK TO RESULTS on every page view: - step 1: execute search query - step 2: use *_data_seek() to move to the right slice of results for the current page 3) ONE QUERY, CACHE EVERYTHING on the first page view: - execute search query, fetch all results, and cache them on every other page view: - retrieve the right slice of results from the cache -- Dell From cliff at pinestream.com Thu Oct 18 15:15:09 2007 From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:15:09 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paging Strategies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > 1) TWO-QUERY APPROACH > on every page view: FAILSAFE. An extra count query, but no worries. > 3) ONE QUERY, CACHE EVERYTHING What if the count changes between pages view? What if there are millions of records -- awfully big fetch. What if you change the application down the road, which creates the potential for changes in row count between views? Lot's of state info to think about.... My two cents... Cliff From ben at projectskyline.com Thu Oct 18 17:07:01 2007 From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyLine)) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:07:01 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paging Strategies References: Message-ID: <008301c811ca$d41dae00$6701a8c0@c500> Hello, I've been struggling w/this issue lately. I looked into the PEAR library, and started writing a wrapper for it. Does anyone have some good open source code or know of a 3rd party lib that does pagination? - Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Hirsch" To: "NYPHP Talk" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Paging Strategies >> 1) TWO-QUERY APPROACH >> on every page view: > FAILSAFE. An extra count query, but no worries. > >> 3) ONE QUERY, CACHE EVERYTHING > What if the count changes between pages view? What if there are millions > of > records -- awfully big fetch. What if you change the application down the > road, which creates the potential for changes in row count between views? > Lot's of state info to think about.... > > My two cents... > Cliff > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From brenttech at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 17:08:16 2007 From: brenttech at gmail.com (Brent Baisley) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:08:16 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paging Strategies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d515c620710181408j780828c3v7bf17f0e820ae88f@mail.gmail.com> You don't need to do an extra count query. If you are using MySQL, just add SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS to your select query. SELECT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS * FROM ... You can then run SELECT FOUND_ROWS() to get the total rows without any limits. It's still 2 queries, but the second one is essentially free. On 10/18/07, Cliff Hirsch wrote: > > 1) TWO-QUERY APPROACH > > on every page view: > FAILSAFE. An extra count query, but no worries. > > > 3) ONE QUERY, CACHE EVERYTHING > What if the count changes between pages view? What if there are millions of > records -- awfully big fetch. What if you change the application down the > road, which creates the potential for changes in row count between views? > Lot's of state info to think about.... > > My two cents... > Cliff > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > From brenttech at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 17:20:07 2007 From: brenttech at gmail.com (Brent Baisley) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:20:07 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paging Strategies In-Reply-To: <5d515c620710181408j780828c3v7bf17f0e820ae88f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d515c620710181408j780828c3v7bf17f0e820ae88f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d515c620710181420l5f96e809x45ff0bbfb1180a03@mail.gmail.com> You hardly need a library for figuring out pagination. A very simple formula tells you how many "pages" you have. $itemsPerPage = 10; $totalRecords = 52; //Result of SELECT FOUND_ROWS() $pages = ceil($totalRecords/$itemsPerPage); Based on those numbers, you know you have 6 pages of data. You can then create a loop to generate the links with the proper parameter(s), however you want to format them. For example: link.php?page=3&itemsperpage=10 Would make the following query: SELECT * FROM table LIMIT ($_GET['page']-1)*10,10 I may be off by 1 on that. Hope that helps. On 10/18/07, Brent Baisley wrote: > You don't need to do an extra count query. If you are using MySQL, > just add SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS to your select query. > SELECT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS * FROM ... > > You can then run SELECT FOUND_ROWS() to get the total rows without any > limits. It's still 2 queries, but the second one is essentially free. > > > On 10/18/07, Cliff Hirsch wrote: > > > 1) TWO-QUERY APPROACH > > > on every page view: > > FAILSAFE. An extra count query, but no worries. > > > > > 3) ONE QUERY, CACHE EVERYTHING > > What if the count changes between pages view? What if there are millions of > > records -- awfully big fetch. What if you change the application down the > > road, which creates the potential for changes in row count between views? > > Lot's of state info to think about.... > > > > My two cents... > > Cliff > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > > > From ben at projectskyline.com Thu Oct 18 17:27:58 2007 From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyLine)) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:27:58 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paging Strategies References: <5d515c620710181408j780828c3v7bf17f0e820ae88f@mail.gmail.com> <5d515c620710181420l5f96e809x45ff0bbfb1180a03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009f01c811cd$c0f6d970$6701a8c0@c500> Hello Brent, Sure, I guess that's a fine way to do it. I'll just toss it into a class for reuseability. - Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Baisley" To: "NYPHP Talk" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Paging Strategies > You hardly need a library for figuring out pagination. A very simple > formula tells you how many "pages" you have. > $itemsPerPage = 10; > $totalRecords = 52; //Result of SELECT FOUND_ROWS() > $pages = ceil($totalRecords/$itemsPerPage); > > Based on those numbers, you know you have 6 pages of data. You can > then create a loop to generate the links with the proper parameter(s), > however you want to format them. > For example: > link.php?page=3&itemsperpage=10 > > Would make the following query: > SELECT * FROM table LIMIT ($_GET['page']-1)*10,10 > > I may be off by 1 on that. Hope that helps. > > On 10/18/07, Brent Baisley wrote: >> You don't need to do an extra count query. If you are using MySQL, >> just add SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS to your select query. >> SELECT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS * FROM ... >> >> You can then run SELECT FOUND_ROWS() to get the total rows without any >> limits. It's still 2 queries, but the second one is essentially free. >> >> >> On 10/18/07, Cliff Hirsch wrote: >> > > 1) TWO-QUERY APPROACH >> > > on every page view: >> > FAILSAFE. An extra count query, but no worries. >> > >> > > 3) ONE QUERY, CACHE EVERYTHING >> > What if the count changes between pages view? What if there are >> > millions of >> > records -- awfully big fetch. What if you change the application down >> > the >> > road, which creates the potential for changes in row count between >> > views? >> > Lot's of state info to think about.... >> > >> > My two cents... >> > Cliff >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List >> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> > >> > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online >> > http://www.nyphpcon.com >> > >> > Show Your Participation in New York PHP >> > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From cliff at pinestream.com Thu Oct 18 19:18:46 2007 From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:18:46 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paging Strategies In-Reply-To: <5d515c620710181408j780828c3v7bf17f0e820ae88f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is brilliant. But read the notes: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/information-functions.html On 10/18/07 5:08 PM, "Brent Baisley" wrote: > You don't need to do an extra count query. If you are using MySQL, > just add SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS to your select query. > SELECT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS * FROM ... > > You can then run SELECT FOUND_ROWS() to get the total rows without any > limits. It's still 2 queries, but the second one is essentially free. > > > On 10/18/07, Cliff Hirsch wrote: >>> 1) TWO-QUERY APPROACH >>> on every page view: >> FAILSAFE. An extra count query, but no worries. >> >>> 3) ONE QUERY, CACHE EVERYTHING >> What if the count changes between pages view? What if there are millions of >> records -- awfully big fetch. What if you change the application down the >> road, which creates the potential for changes in row count between views? >> Lot's of state info to think about.... >> >> My two cents... >> Cliff From dell at sala.ca Thu Oct 18 22:50:26 2007 From: dell at sala.ca (Dell Sala) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:50:26 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paging Strategies In-Reply-To: <5d515c620710181408j780828c3v7bf17f0e820ae88f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d515c620710181408j780828c3v7bf17f0e820ae88f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <029AECDC-1759-48C5-8C31-2EA72FB87618@sala.ca> On Oct 18, 2007, at 5:08 PM, Brent Baisley wrote: > You don't need to do an extra count query. If you are using MySQL, > just add SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS to your select query. > SELECT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS * FROM ... > > You can then run SELECT FOUND_ROWS() to get the total rows without any > limits. It's still 2 queries, but the second one is essentially free. Great tip Brent! Thanks. -- Dell From dell at sala.ca Fri Oct 19 00:07:22 2007 From: dell at sala.ca (Dell Sala) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:07:22 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paging Strategies In-Reply-To: <009f01c811cd$c0f6d970$6701a8c0@c500> References: <5d515c620710181408j780828c3v7bf17f0e820ae88f@mail.gmail.com> <5d515c620710181420l5f96e809x45ff0bbfb1180a03@mail.gmail.com> <009f01c811cd$c0f6d970$6701a8c0@c500> Message-ID: >> From: "Brent Baisley" >> >> You hardly need a library for figuring out pagination. A very simple >> formula tells you how many "pages" you have. >> $itemsPerPage = 10; >> $totalRecords = 52; //Result of SELECT FOUND_ROWS() >> $pages = ceil($totalRecords/$itemsPerPage); >> >> Based on those numbers, you know you have 6 pages of data. You can >> then create a loop to generate the links with the proper parameter >> (s), >> however you want to format them. > > On Oct 18, 2007, at 5:27 PM, Ben Sgro ((ProjectSkyLine)) wrote: > Sure, I guess that's a fine way to do it. > I'll just toss it into a class for reuseability. Here's my version of such a class: http://dev.dellsala.com/source/Pager.phps An example of how it might be used: $pager = new Pager(); $pager->setItemsPerPage(10); $pager->setCurrentPage(2); // from $_POST or $_GET // generate your query LIMIT $sqlLimit = "LIMIT {$pager->getItemOffset()}, {$pager->getItemsPerPage ()}"; $pager->setItemCount(125); // from SELECT FOUND_ROWS(). thanks brent! // output the paging interface ?>

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Previous Next -- Dell From phplists at jellyandcustard.com Fri Oct 19 04:46:36 2007 From: phplists at jellyandcustard.com (Khalid Hanif) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:46:36 +0100 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paging Strategies In-Reply-To: <5d515c620710181420l5f96e809x45ff0bbfb1180a03@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d515c620710181408j780828c3v7bf17f0e820ae88f@mail.gmail.com> <5d515c620710181420l5f96e809x45ff0bbfb1180a03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <22D9D68C-3330-4F60-B842-390BF88DABBD@jellyandcustard.com> On 18 Oct 2007, at 22:20, Brent Baisley wrote: > You hardly need a library for figuring out pagination. Totally agree. But when time = money, and time is short, I've found Pear::Pager to be a good starting place. The actual HTML output is horrible, but it works, and you can have a sliding or jumping number set, and set a delta for the links as well: http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.html.pager.intro.php Yours, Khalid -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's still 2 queries, but the second one is essentially free. > > > -- Dell > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > From jeffmailings99 at verizon.net Fri Oct 19 10:34:01 2007 From: jeffmailings99 at verizon.net (Jeff Siegel) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:34:01 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paging Strategies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Two sources of code: 1. EZSql (if you are using that library) has a library for paging. 2. PHP Cookbook has some code you can use. There's lots of other good stuff in there too. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Dell Sala Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:06 PM To: NYPHP Talk Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paging Strategies Every time I implement paging for search results I end up using different approaches, but I'm never happy with any of them. Am I missing a simpler, more "correct" solution here? Here's what I've tried: 1) TWO-QUERY APPROACH on every page view: - step 1: execute search query with a "SELECT count(*) " to get the total record count - step 2: run the search again with the appropriate LIMIT clause to retrieve the records I need for the current page 2) ONE QUERY, SEEK TO RESULTS on every page view: - step 1: execute search query - step 2: use *_data_seek() to move to the right slice of results for the current page 3) ONE QUERY, CACHE EVERYTHING on the first page view: - execute search query, fetch all results, and cache them on every other page view: - retrieve the right slice of results from the cache -- Dell _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From cliff at pinestream.com Fri Oct 19 13:39:06 2007 From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:39:06 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Character set issues revisited Message-ID: There was recently a thread about some character set problem. I just found a similar issue. I just transferred a site from a Windows XP dev. platform to rhel. Everything looks fine except for a few special characters. Windows -> rhel it?s -> it?s ? -> ? (should be the long dash, an em I think) ?blahblah? -> ?blahblah? ? -> ? In phpMyAdmin I see: can?t In my app, I see: can?t So phpMyAdmin is displaying things correctly on either platform. Page Headers: My page: (on both windows & rhel) phpMyadmin: The charset headers are the same on both machine. I might have mistakenly imported some of the database files with the wrong collation setting, but I change it to be the same on both platforms. And these errors appear on pages/code that was brought in via subversion, not the database. Where should I start looking? What is the best charset to use anyway? Iso-8859-1 or utf-8? Thanks, Cliff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ioplex at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 14:29:55 2007 From: ioplex at gmail.com (Michael B Allen) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:29:55 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Character set issues revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78c6bd860710191129v5d73eb47rc900038e9063c202@mail.gmail.com> On 10/19/07, Cliff Hirsch wrote: > > There was recently a thread about some character set problem. I just found > a similar issue. I just transferred a site from a Windows XP dev. platform > to rhel. Everything looks fine except for a few special characters. > > Windows -> rhel > it's -> it?s > ? -> ? (should be the long dash, an em I think) > 'blahblah' -> ?blahblah? > " -> ? Hey Cliff, That's actually not a character encoding issue. The '?' or an empty box is commonly displayed whenever a glyph associated with a character value is not available. Meaning the client doesn't have the necessary font. Also meaning, whatever editor was used to input those single quotes didn't input the more common ASCII single quote character value of 0x27. If you hexdump that content you'll see it's something else (it will probably be a multibyte UTF-8 secquence which when decoded will give you a Unicode value that you can lookup in Adobe's glyph tables). This is the sort of thing that happends when you create some content with a word processor and then copy and paste it into the web page. The way to fix this problem is to just seek and destory all of those characters and replace them with their more common equivalent values (e.g. the single quote 0x27 ASCII value). Or you could install whatever wacked out font that has that character on every client that will ever visit the page but that's probably not the more desirable solution. > In phpMyAdmin I see: can't > In my app, I see: can?t > So phpMyAdmin is displaying things correctly on either platform. That's odd. Maybe phpMyAdmin is doing some transliteration. > Where should I start looking? What is the best charset to use anyway? > Iso-8859-1 or utf-8? Look at the page with hexdump to see verify what the encoding is and what the unicode value of one of the errant characters really is. Then you can start to figure out where things went wrong. Mike -- Michael B Allen PHP Active Directory SPNEGO SSO http://www.ioplex.com/ From jonbaer at jonbaer.com Fri Oct 19 14:42:07 2007 From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:42:07 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Framework SIG lists? Message-ID: <50F571DC-4FE3-4926-8A0A-91B9C8B84496@jonbaer.com> Hi, Just curious, is there any interest out there to maybe(?) create local framework-specific lists (SIGs) around CakePHP, Zend, Symfony, etc. Or would it be better to just post to Talk w/ something in the subject [Zend] to signify the topic better or would that annoy everyone? Any thoughts? - Jon From ajai at bitblit.net Fri Oct 19 14:46:43 2007 From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycphp-talk] Framework SIG lists? In-Reply-To: <50F571DC-4FE3-4926-8A0A-91B9C8B84496@jonbaer.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, Jon Baer wrote: > Just curious, is there any interest out there to maybe(?) create > local framework-specific lists (SIGs) around CakePHP, Zend, Symfony, > etc. Or would it be better to just post to Talk w/ something in the > subject [Zend] to signify the topic better or would that annoy everyone? Most of these frameworks have their own lists which are more useful for asking questions on than here. That said, its always useful to discuss those here with developers NOT using your framework of choice, if only to have another prespective to bounce ideas off. Oh, and Im all for adding things to the Subject: headers to easier filter stuff. -- Aj. From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 15:14:32 2007 From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:14:32 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Framework SIG lists? In-Reply-To: <50F571DC-4FE3-4926-8A0A-91B9C8B84496@jonbaer.com> References: <50F571DC-4FE3-4926-8A0A-91B9C8B84496@jonbaer.com> Message-ID: <330532b60710191214x6c5a2f05k6ed12b65265af846@mail.gmail.com> On 10/19/07, Jon Baer wrote: > Hi, > > Just curious, is there any interest out there to maybe(?) create > local framework-specific lists (SIGs) around CakePHP, Zend, Symfony, > etc. Or would it be better to just post to Talk w/ something in the > subject [Zend] to signify the topic better or would that annoy everyone? I like the subject idea and will do it anyway in the hopes others find it helpful. Another idea - why not have one NYPHP meet centered around frameworks, and have a framework-fest of sorts? I'd love to see a handful of people talk about their experiences, compare notes with others and see what some of the advantages/disadvantages are between them. -- Mitch From ajai at bitblit.net Fri Oct 19 15:39:15 2007 From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycphp-talk] Framework SIG lists? In-Reply-To: <330532b60710191214x6c5a2f05k6ed12b65265af846@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, Mitch Pirtle wrote: > Another idea - why not have one NYPHP meet centered around frameworks, > and have a framework-fest of sorts? I'd love to see a handful of > people talk about their experiences, compare notes with others and see > what some of the advantages/disadvantages are between them. Good idea - I'd be happy to talk about symfony. -- Aj. From cliff at pinestream.com Fri Oct 19 15:44:05 2007 From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:44:05 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Character set issues revisited In-Reply-To: <78c6bd860710191129v5d73eb47rc900038e9063c202@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/19/07 2:29 PM, "Michael B Allen" wrote: > On 10/19/07, Cliff Hirsch wrote: >> >> There was recently a thread about some character set problem. I just found >> a similar issue. I just transferred a site from a Windows XP dev. platform >> to rhel. Everything looks fine except for a few special characters. >> >> Windows -> rhel >> it's -> it?s >> ? -> ? (should be the long dash, an em I think) >> 'blahblah' -> ?blahblah? >> " -> ? > > Hey Cliff, > > That's actually not a character encoding issue. The '?' or an empty > box is commonly displayed whenever a glyph associated with a character > value is not available. Meaning the client doesn't have the necessary > font. Also meaning, whatever editor was used to input those single > quotes didn't input the more common ASCII single quote character value > of 0x27. If you hexdump that content you'll see it's something else > (it will probably be a multibyte UTF-8 secquence which when decoded > will give you a Unicode value that you can lookup in Adobe's glyph > tables). > > This is the sort of thing that happends when you create some content > with a word processor and then copy and paste it into the web page. > > The way to fix this problem is to just seek and destory all of those > characters and replace them with their more common equivalent values > (e.g. the single quote 0x27 ASCII value). > > Or you could install whatever wacked out font that has that character > on every client that will ever visit the page but that's probably not > the more desirable solution. > >> In phpMyAdmin I see: can't >> In my app, I see: can?t >> So phpMyAdmin is displaying things correctly on either platform. > > That's odd. Maybe phpMyAdmin is doing some transliteration. > >> Where should I start looking? What is the best charset to use anyway? >> Iso-8859-1 or utf-8? > > Look at the page with hexdump to see verify what the encoding is and > what the unicode value of one of the errant characters really is. Then > you can start to figure out where things went wrong. > > Mike Mike: Thanks. This is helpful. Here's another interesting puzzle. Why does the page info in FireFox say encoding: UTF-8 while the Content-Type is charset=iso-8859-1. Ah, I think I see it. The encoding is how the page was saved. And as usual, Microsoft butchers everything. But this is php -- the page is dynamically generated. So is the encoding picked up from my php script, index.php, or the template file index.tpl? From ken at secdat.com Fri Oct 19 15:46:47 2007 From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:46:47 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Framework SIG lists? In-Reply-To: <330532b60710191214x6c5a2f05k6ed12b65265af846@mail.gmail.com> References: <50F571DC-4FE3-4926-8A0A-91B9C8B84496@jonbaer.com> <330532b60710191214x6c5a2f05k6ed12b65265af846@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <471909A7.6050201@secdat.com> Mitch Pirtle wrote: > On 10/19/07, Jon Baer wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Just curious, is there any interest out there to maybe(?) create >> local framework-specific lists (SIGs) around CakePHP, Zend, Symfony, >> etc. Or would it be better to just post to Talk w/ something in the >> subject [Zend] to signify the topic better or would that annoy everyone? >> > > I like the subject idea and will do it anyway in the hopes others find > it helpful. > > Another idea - why not have one NYPHP meet centered around frameworks, > and have a framework-fest of sorts? I'd love to see a handful of > people talk about their experiences, compare notes with others and see > what some of the advantages/disadvantages are between them. > Boston PHP was going to do this and ultimately decided against it. Maybe Mark Withington will chime in here and tell us something about why. I think it came down to logistics. You really need a few hours for this, with refreshments, because people are going to be settling in and coding. Restaurants and bars are out of the question, the venue has to allow us to stay into the late hours if people get really involved. > -- Mitch > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > -- Kenneth Downs Secure Data Software, Inc. www.secdat.com www.andromeda-project.org 631-689-7200 Fax: 631-689-0527 cell: 631-379-0010 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The encoding is how the page was saved. And as usual, > Microsoft butchers everything. Actually if you right click on the page in FF and select "page info" I think it should tell you the real encoding emitted by the server (the content-type header). Note that the META content-type tag in a page is basically ignored unless the page is read from disk. Also, note that if you're serving static content, the web server has a default Content-Type encoding which is usually UTF-8. So if you have some pages that are encoded in ISO-8859-1 and the web server is UTF-8 the web server will send Content-Type UTF-8 but the page will actually still be encoded in ISO-8859-1 and the page will not be rendered properly. > But this is php -- the page is dynamically generated. So is the encoding > picked up from my php script, index.php, or the template file index.tpl? The browser will interpret the page based on the Content-Type encoding. Period. But it's up to *you* to make sure the page is really encoded in that encoding. It sounds like the script files are actually the wrong encoding or contain funky characters. The easiest way to determin if that is the case is to run hexdump or a hex editor and look at one of the script files with a non-ASCII character in it. If that character is encoded with one byte, then the encoding is ISO-8850-x. If the character is encoded with two or more bytes, it's probably UTF-8. Note that if you have a lot of pages in the wrong encoding you might want to look into the iconv utility found on *nix machines. Mike -- Michael B Allen PHP Active Directory SPNEGO SSO http://www.ioplex.com/ From jcampbell1 at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 21:07:08 2007 From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:07:08 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Character set issues revisited In-Reply-To: <78c6bd860710191454mf75d855ra96fbf66fb4c9f54@mail.gmail.com> References: <78c6bd860710191129v5d73eb47rc900038e9063c202@mail.gmail.com> <78c6bd860710191454mf75d855ra96fbf66fb4c9f54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f0676b40710191807t75ae8faree8ea4c90a918670@mail.gmail.com> I think people are trying to diagnose a problem with incomplete information. There are a bunch of places where things can go wrong with character encoding, and without the details it is impossible to know what is going on. What is the collation of the column in the database? (available in phpmyadmin) What is the value of the "Content-Type" header? (use firebug to determine) Which mysql drivers are you using? mysql,mysqli, pdo Are you calling mysql('set names ...') anywhere? Do you have a tag? And by '?' do you mean '?' or '?' ... there is a big difference. My guess is that you are using utf8 as the database collation, and you need to remove your meta tag, call mysql_query("set names utf-8") as soon as you create a connection to the database, and add a header("Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8"); to all scripts. But again, that is a guess since I only have about 20% of the relevant info. Hope that helps. Regards, John Campbell From mikesz at qualityadvantages.com Fri Oct 19 22:47:34 2007 From: mikesz at qualityadvantages.com (mikesz at qualityadvantages.com) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:47:34 +0800 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any ideas appreciated... short cuts are not always a good thing for script maintenance... need some advise... Message-ID: <1822385224.20071020104734@qualityadvantages.com> Greetings and Hello, I am converting a script to use SMTP if php mail() is not available for the users of this script. I have all the active calls working so that if my smtp flag is set it automatically switches to smtp and sends the message with the appropriate headers etc. but part of the script is run by a cron job and I see a php mail call but don't quite understand the syntax. Anyone care to take a guess at translating what it does? It is part of a while loop and I think its combining two conditions into one statement but would like confirmation. here is the code fragment: if ( !mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site[email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]") ) ++$err; I thinks this is the equivalent of: if ( !mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site[email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]") ) { ++$err; //update the error queue } else { mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site[email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]"); } Has anyone seen or used this technique before? This is the first time I have seen it used, though this script has a lot of short cuts that make the code difficult to debug sometimes, like this one. Thanks in advance for your comments, -- Best regards, mikesz mailto:mikesz at qualityadvantages.com From leeeyerman at aol.com Fri Oct 19 23:02:20 2007 From: leeeyerman at aol.com (leeeyerman at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:02:20 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any ideas appreciated... short cuts are not always a good thing for script maintenance... need some advise... In-Reply-To: <1822385224.20071020104734@qualityadvantages.com> References: <1822385224.20071020104734@qualityadvantages.com> Message-ID: <8C9E0DCC39A95C2-23C-2E74@webmail-mf04.sysops.aol.com> I believe you are correct except for the else.? The if statement can be written that way, but it will not do the else statement you put in your example, you would include that... http://us.php.net/manual/en/language.control-structures.php#control-structures.if This is a good link to learn how to write the shorter version of the if statement.? However, I like writing it out... old school. I thinks this is the equivalent of: if ( !mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site[email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]") ) { ++$err; //update the error queue } else { mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site[email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]"); } -----Original Message----- From: mikesz at qualityadvantages.com To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 8:47 pm Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any ideas appreciated... short cuts are not always a good thing for script maintenance... need some advise... Greetings and Hello, I am converting a script to use SMTP if php mail() is not available for the users of this script. I have all the active calls working so that if my smtp flag is set it automatically switches to smtp and sends the message with the appropriate headers etc. but part of the script is run by a cron job and I see a php mail call but don't quite understand the syntax. Anyone care to take a guess at translating what it does? It is part of a while loop and I think its combining two conditions into one statement but would like confirmation. here is the code fragment: if ( !mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site[email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]") ) ++$err; I thinks this is the equivalent of: if ( !mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site[email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]") ) { ++$err; //update the error queue } else { mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site[email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]"); } Has anyone seen or used this technique before? This is the first time I have seen it used, though this script has a lot of short cuts that make the code difficult to debug sometimes, like this one. Thanks in advance for your comments, -- Best regards, mikesz mailto:mikesz at qualityadvantages.com _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim_lists at o2group.com Sat Oct 20 03:13:47 2007 From: tim_lists at o2group.com (Tim Lieberman) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 09:13:47 +0200 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any ideas appreciated... short cuts are not always a good thing for script maintenance... need some advise... In-Reply-To: <1822385224.20071020104734@qualityadvantages.com> References: <1822385224.20071020104734@qualityadvantages.com> Message-ID: <8C284286-0420-4E23-AFBF-53176A7531DE@o2group.com> The "equivalent" you wrote should generally result in sending either zero or two emails ... which is probably not what you want. The code you're trying to grok is simply "send mail and if there's an error, increment the error counter". A slightly more obvious way for writing it would be: $result = mail(...); if (! $result){ ++$err; } The way you re-wrote it, it says "send mail and if there's an error increment the error counter. If there isn't an error, send the mail a second time". HTH -Tim On Oct 20, 2007, at 4:47 AM, mikesz at qualityadvantages.com wrote: > Greetings and Hello, > > I am converting a script to use SMTP if php mail() is not available > for the users of this script. I have all the active calls working so > that if my smtp flag is set it automatically switches to smtp and > sends the message with the appropriate headers etc. but part of the > script is run by a > cron job and I see a php mail call but don't quite understand the > syntax. > Anyone care to take a guess at translating what it does? > > It is part of a while loop and I think its combining two conditions > into one statement but would like confirmation. > > here is the code fragment: > > if ( !mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site > [email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]") ) > ++$err; > > > I thinks this is the equivalent of: > > if ( !mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site > [email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]") ) > { > ++$err; //update the error queue > } > else > { > mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site > [email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]"); > } > > > Has anyone seen or used this technique before? This is the first time > I have seen it used, though this script has a lot of short cuts that > make the code difficult to debug sometimes, like this one. > > Thanks in advance for your comments, > -- > Best regards, > mikesz mailto:mikesz at qualityadvantages.com > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From mikesz at qualityadvantages.com Sat Oct 20 03:36:04 2007 From: mikesz at qualityadvantages.com (mikesz at qualityadvantages.com) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:36:04 +0800 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any ideas appreciated... short cuts are not always a good thing for script maintenance... need some advise... In-Reply-To: <8C284286-0420-4E23-AFBF-53176A7531DE@o2group.com> References: <1822385224.20071020104734@qualityadvantages.com> <8C284286-0420-4E23-AFBF-53176A7531DE@o2group.com> Message-ID: <1866423701.20071020153604@qualityadvantages.com> Hello Tim, Saturday, October 20, 2007, 3:13:47 PM, you wrote: > The "equivalent" you wrote should generally result in sending either > zero or two emails ... which is probably not what you want. > The code you're trying to grok is simply "send mail and if there's an > error, increment the error counter". A slightly more obvious way for > writing it would be: > $result = mail(...); > if (! $result){ > ++$err; > } > The way you re-wrote it, it says "send mail and if there's an error > increment the error counter. If there isn't an error, send the mail > a second time". > HTH > -Tim > On Oct 20, 2007, at 4:47 AM, mikesz at qualityadvantages.com wrote: >> Greetings and Hello, >> >> I am converting a script to use SMTP if php mail() is not available >> for the users of this script. I have all the active calls working so >> that if my smtp flag is set it automatically switches to smtp and >> sends the message with the appropriate headers etc. but part of the >> script is run by a >> cron job and I see a php mail call but don't quite understand the >> syntax. >> Anyone care to take a guess at translating what it does? >> >> It is part of a while loop and I think its combining two conditions >> into one statement but would like confirmation. >> >> here is the code fragment: >> >> if ( !mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site >> [email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]") ) >> ++$err; >> >> >> I thinks this is the equivalent of: >> >> if ( !mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site >> [email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]") ) >> { >> ++$err; //update the error queue >> } >> else >> { >> mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site >> [email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]"); >> } >> >> >> Has anyone seen or used this technique before? This is the first time >> I have seen it used, though this script has a lot of short cuts that >> make the code difficult to debug sometimes, like this one. >> >> Thanks in advance for your comments, >> -- >> Best regards, >> mikesz mailto:mikesz at qualityadvantages.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online >> http://www.nyphpcon.com >> >> Show Your Participation in New York PHP >> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > __________ NOD32 2604 (20071019) Information __________ > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com Thanks very much Tim, your example is exactly what I needed. -- Best regards, mikesz mailto:mikesz at qualityadvantages.com From brenttech at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 10:00:37 2007 From: brenttech at gmail.com (Brent Baisley) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:00:37 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any ideas appreciated... short cuts are not always a good thing for script maintenance... need some advise... In-Reply-To: <1822385224.20071020104734@qualityadvantages.com> References: <1822385224.20071020104734@qualityadvantages.com> Message-ID: <8C79FEA2-6765-4187-B048-194C658FD4AB@gmail.com> You are reinventing the wheel by writing your own smtp code. I use swiftmailer (http://www.swiftmailer.org/) when I need a script that is going to send out emails on a regular basis. Another option is phpmailer (http://phpmailer.sourceforge.net/), but that's not really being updated anymore. Both are free and handle SMTP extremely well. On Oct 19, 2007, at 10:47 PM, mikesz at qualityadvantages.com wrote: > Greetings and Hello, > > I am converting a script to use SMTP if php mail() is not available > for the users of this script. I have all the active calls working so > that if my smtp flag is set it automatically switches to smtp and > sends the message with the appropriate headers etc. but part of the > script is run by a > cron job and I see a php mail call but don't quite understand the > syntax. > Anyone care to take a guess at translating what it does? > > It is part of a while loop and I think its combining two conditions > into one statement but would like confirmation. > > here is the code fragment: > > if ( !mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site > [email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]") ) > ++$err; > > > I thinks this is the equivalent of: > > if ( !mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site > [email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]") ) > { > ++$err; //update the error queue > } > else > { > mail( $row['Email'], $row[Subj], $row[Body], "From: $site > [email_notify]", "-f$site[email_notify]"); > } > > > Has anyone seen or used this technique before? This is the first time > I have seen it used, though this script has a lot of short cuts that > make the code difficult to debug sometimes, like this one. > > Thanks in advance for your comments, > -- > Best regards, > mikesz mailto:mikesz at qualityadvantages.com > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From cliff at pinestream.com Sat Oct 20 14:46:49 2007 From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:46:49 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Character set issues revisited In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40710191807t75ae8faree8ea4c90a918670@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: John, Michael: Thanks for all the info. > And by '?' do you mean '?' or '?' ... there is a big difference. What is the difference? I have seen both? If anyone else is struggling with this, John and Michael have great points. There are some great articles on Wikepedia and Sitepoint regarding this issue. Essentially, you need to look at the entire "publishing" chain -- from text editors, to database to php to Apache to the browser.... In my case, this narrowed down to a few problem areas. 1. I conveniently "grabbed" some special characters from a windows editor. When, where? Who knows. But it's obvious. Lord knows I couldn't figure out how to get that special squiggle thing any other way. 2. ISO-8859 and Windows-1252 char set are very, very similar. Naturally, it's all those lovely special characters that are the difference. From Wikepedia: "It is very common to mislabel text data with the charset label ISO-8859-1, even though the data is really Windows-1252 encoded." 3. My pages were encoded as utf-8 -- the Apache default. Sure, I set the meta tag to 8859. Not enough -- use: header('Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1'); 4. I still have some of those special characters, and I know they are not in the 8859 char set, yet things are look'n fine. Puzzling, eh. Why? From Wikepedia: "Many web browsers and e-mail clients will interpret ISO-8859-1 control codes as Windows-1252 characters in order to accommodate such mislabeling but it is not a standard behaviour and care should be taken to avoid generating these characters in ISO-8859-1 labeled content." 5. And this is big!!! I use the Firefox html validator plug-in to validate my pages. It uses Tidy. My pages came up as perfect -- till this problem hit when I switched platforms. Yet, when I ran them through the W3c validator, it barfed all over them. Use http://validator.w3.org to validate your pages. Cliff From ioplex at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 15:14:19 2007 From: ioplex at gmail.com (Michael B Allen) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:14:19 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Character set issues revisited In-Reply-To: References: <8f0676b40710191807t75ae8faree8ea4c90a918670@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <78c6bd860710201214k221f7854qfd9247a179901739@mail.gmail.com> You got it baby. Now you can talk about character encoding at cocktail parties. On 10/20/07, Cliff Hirsch wrote: > John, Michael: > > Thanks for all the info. > > > And by '?' do you mean '?' or '?' ... there is a big difference. > What is the difference? I have seen both? > > If anyone else is struggling with this, John and Michael have great points. > There are some great articles on Wikepedia and Sitepoint regarding this > issue. Essentially, you need to look at the entire "publishing" chain -- > from text editors, to database to php to Apache to the browser.... > > In my case, this narrowed down to a few problem areas. > > 1. I conveniently "grabbed" some special characters from a windows editor. > When, where? Who knows. But it's obvious. Lord knows I couldn't figure out > how to get that special squiggle thing any other way. > > 2. ISO-8859 and Windows-1252 char set are very, very similar. Naturally, > it's all those lovely special characters that are the difference. From > Wikepedia: "It is very common to mislabel text data with the charset label > ISO-8859-1, even though the data is really Windows-1252 encoded." > > 3. My pages were encoded as utf-8 -- the Apache default. Sure, I set the > meta tag to 8859. Not enough -- use: > header('Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1'); > > 4. I still have some of those special characters, and I know they are not in > the 8859 char set, yet things are look'n fine. Puzzling, eh. Why? From > Wikepedia: > > "Many web browsers and e-mail clients will interpret ISO-8859-1 control > codes as Windows-1252 characters in order to accommodate such mislabeling > but it is not a standard behaviour and care should be taken to avoid > generating these characters in ISO-8859-1 labeled content." > > 5. And this is big!!! > I use the Firefox html validator plug-in to validate my pages. It uses Tidy. > My pages came up as perfect -- till this problem hit when I switched > platforms. Yet, when I ran them through the W3c validator, it barfed all > over them. > > Use http://validator.w3.org to validate your pages. > > Cliff > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > -- Michael B Allen PHP Active Directory SPNEGO SSO http://www.ioplex.com/ From lists at zaunere.com Sun Oct 21 15:27:52 2007 From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:27:52 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Framework SIG lists? In-Reply-To: <330532b60710191214x6c5a2f05k6ed12b65265af846@mail.gmail.com> References: <50F571DC-4FE3-4926-8A0A-91B9C8B84496@jonbaer.com> <330532b60710191214x6c5a2f05k6ed12b65265af846@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <06e001c81418$79405910$640aa8c0@MobileZ> Mitch Pirtle wrote on Friday, October 19, 2007 3:15 PM: > On 10/19/07, Jon Baer wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Just curious, is there any interest out there to maybe(?) create > > local framework-specific lists (SIGs) around CakePHP, Zend, Symfony, > > etc. Or would it be better to just post to Talk w/ something in the > > subject [Zend] to signify the topic better or would that annoy > > everyone? > > I like the subject idea and will do it anyway in the hopes others find > it helpful. > > Another idea - why not have one NYPHP meet centered around frameworks, > and have a framework-fest of sorts? I'd love to see a handful of > people talk about their experiences, compare notes with others and see > what some of the advantages/disadvantages are between them. If there's interest in this, we could probably provide space. Noteably, we could have the back room at Suspenders where we can code, eat and drink until they close. H From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com Sun Oct 21 16:35:10 2007 From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:35:10 -0700 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Framework SIG lists? In-Reply-To: <330532b60710191214x6c5a2f05k6ed12b65265af846@mail.gmail.com> References: <50F571DC-4FE3-4926-8A0A-91B9C8B84496@jonbaer.com> <330532b60710191214x6c5a2f05k6ed12b65265af846@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17744-09914@sneakemail.com> Mitch Pirtle mitch.pirtle-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote: >On 10/19/07, Jon Baer wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>Just curious, is there any interest out there to maybe(?) create >>local framework-specific lists (SIGs) around CakePHP, Zend, Symfony, >>etc. Or would it be better to just post to Talk w/ something in the >>subject [Zend] to signify the topic better or would that annoy everyone? >> >> > >I like the subject idea and will do it anyway in the hopes others find >it helpful. > >Another idea - why not have one NYPHP meet centered around frameworks, >and have a framework-fest of sorts? I'd love to see a handful of >people talk about their experiences, compare notes with others and see >what some of the advantages/disadvantages are between them. > >-- Mitch > > > +1 It's most relevant to PHP IMHO. -=john -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Your web server traffic log file is the most important source of web business information available. Do you know where your logs are right now? Do you know who else has access to your log files? When they were last archived? Where those archives are? --John Andrews Competitive Webmaster and SEO Blogging at http://www.johnon.com From jcampbell1 at gmail.com Sun Oct 21 19:21:44 2007 From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:21:44 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Character set issues revisited In-Reply-To: References: <8f0676b40710191807t75ae8faree8ea4c90a918670@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8f0676b40710211621y47512a08ta24a9c36267727e8@mail.gmail.com> > > And by '?' do you mean '?' or '?' ... there is a big difference. > What is the difference? I have seen both? '?' is typically caused by storing the data in Mysql as UTF-8, and then a magical undocumented feature in the php mysql drivers auto converts it to 8859-1. Thus if you have a character that is not in 8859-1 (e.g. a korean character) mysql will convert it to a '?'. A '?' is generated by the browser when the browser is trying to render as UTF-8 and it comes across an invalid byte sequence. The first thing to understand about character encoding is the overlap between UTF-8 and 8859-1. Below is a sample a - lower case a (Same in 8859-1 & UTF-8) ? - a acute (Available in 8859-1 & UTF8 but different values..) ? - Chinese character (Not in 8859-1, in UTF-8) These days, you should really do everything in UTF-8. There was a lot of talk about PHP not being UTF-8 safe, but it is largely nonsense and primarily because developers don't think about other languages. I personally never see the need for functions like substr, and I don't use regular expressions like [a-zA-Z0-9]. One other piece of advice, is don't ever use that stupid meta tag to specify the content encoding. It makes no sense to specify the encoding of the content in the content itself. The content encoding should be specified in the header and only in the header. Regards, John Campbell From jmcgraw1 at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 09:45:44 2007 From: jmcgraw1 at gmail.com (Jake McGraw) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:45:44 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Compiling PHP Message-ID: Hello All: We currently have PHP 5.2.4 installed on our web server. It was compiled and installed with PHP MySQL library version 4.1.22 and our MySQL Server version is 5.0.45. Until yesterday this hadn't caused us any problems, but I believe it is now the source of the following error: Unable to bind arguments to query: Using unsupported buffer type: 0 (parameter: 1) My question is, How should I go about recompiling our PHP install with a newer MySQL library? Do I need to make any changes to Apache once this is done? If anyone could point me to a step by step guide I'd be much obliged. Thanks, - jake From ajai at bitblit.net Mon Oct 22 10:30:50 2007 From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycphp-talk] Compiling PHP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Jake McGraw wrote: > My question is, How should I go about recompiling our PHP install with > a newer MySQL library? Do I need to make any changes to Apache once > this is done? If anyone could point me to a step by step guide I'd be > much obliged. Do you have the original files used to build your PHP and Apache? If you do, it should be a simple matter of just rebuilding PHP and then rebuilding Apache afterwards. If you dont have the sources used to build it, then you will need to figure out the configuration of your exiting PHP install (phpinfo() is your friend) and use that to figure out the flags to give to thwe configure script to build it. Same for Apache. -- Aj. From ben at projectskyline.com Mon Oct 22 12:01:53 2007 From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyLine)) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:01:53 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Book search: The best DIV/CSS book? Message-ID: <010201c814c4$ddb8f210$6401a8c0@gamebox> Hello All, I still used table based layouts. I try to remove all my style attributes and place them in .css files. However, I still haven't made the jump from table to div based layouts. I've looked at a few books, but haven't found one that really drove the point home. I have no formal HTML experiance, I just write it to get stuff done. So, can anyone recommend a great book for div/css? Good websites are fine too, but the lack of depth in most online articles/whitepapers about the topic leaves me wanting more. Thanks, - Ben Ben Sgro, President ProjectSkyLine - Defining New Horizons +1 718.487.9368 (N.Y. Office) Our company: www.projectskyline.com Our products: www.project-contact.com This e-mail is confidential information intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rharding at mitechie.com Mon Oct 22 12:04:32 2007 From: rharding at mitechie.com (Richard Harding) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:04:32 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Book search: The best DIV/CSS book? In-Reply-To: <010201c814c4$ddb8f210$6401a8c0@gamebox> References: <010201c814c4$ddb8f210$6401a8c0@gamebox> Message-ID: <1193069072.7644.4.camel@traken.lan> On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 12:01 -0400, Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyLine) wrote: > Hello All, > > I still used table based layouts. I try to remove all my style > attributes and place them in .css files. > However, I still haven't made the jump from table to div based > layouts. > > I've looked at a few books, but haven't found one that really drove > the point home. > I have no formal HTML experiance, I just write it to get stuff done. > So, can anyone > recommend a great book for div/css? > > Good websites are fine too, but the lack of depth in most online > articles/whitepapers > about the topic leaves me wanting more. > > Thanks, > > - Ben I have only checked out a couple of CSS books, but they were both really helpful. Bulletproof Web Design, and CSS Mastery. I'd recommend both of them. Bulletproof does some simple things, but the ideas are good to have. CSS Mastery covers more complicated layouts and such. HTH Rick From jonbaer at jonbaer.com Mon Oct 22 12:06:54 2007 From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:06:54 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Book search: The best DIV/CSS book? In-Reply-To: <010201c814c4$ddb8f210$6401a8c0@gamebox> References: <010201c814c4$ddb8f210$6401a8c0@gamebox> Message-ID: <7268FA6E-51B8-4E1D-A08C-E5282643E65B@jonbaer.com> I find pretty much all of the Friend of Ed series pretty insightful + extremely helpful on the topic ... http://www.friendsofed.com Particularly the title "CSS Mastery" ... http://cssmastery.com HTH, (I can bring this to tomorrows XML DB meetup if interested). - Jon On Oct 22, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Ben Sgro ((ProjectSkyLine)) wrote: > Hello All, > > I still used table based layouts. I try to remove all my style > attributes and place them in .css files. > However, I still haven't made the jump from table to div based > layouts. > > I've looked at a few books, but haven't found one that really drove > the point home. > I have no formal HTML experiance, I just write it to get stuff > done. So, can anyone > recommend a great book for div/css? > > Good websites are fine too, but the lack of depth in most online > articles/whitepapers > about the topic leaves me wanting more. > > Thanks, > > - Ben > > Ben Sgro, President > ProjectSkyLine - Defining New Horizons > +1 718.487.9368 (N.Y. Office) > > Our company: www.projectskyline.com > Our products: www.project-contact.com > > This e-mail is confidential information intended only for the use > of the individual to whom it is > addressed._______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 12:13:28 2007 From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:13:28 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Book search: The best DIV/CSS book? In-Reply-To: <1193069072.7644.4.camel@traken.lan> References: <010201c814c4$ddb8f210$6401a8c0@gamebox> <1193069072.7644.4.camel@traken.lan> Message-ID: <330532b60710220913v76033b73jc48005e07bf4bedf@mail.gmail.com> I'd also like to point you to A List Apart, another New Yorker (Jeffrey Zeldman) who has made quite a name for himself on this subject. His latest book "designing with web standards" (second edition) is a great read and recommended to everyone here. http://alistapart.com/ -- Mitch From aw at sap8.com Mon Oct 22 12:16:41 2007 From: aw at sap8.com (Anthony Wlodarski) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:16:41 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Book search: The best DIV/CSS book? In-Reply-To: <010201c814c4$ddb8f210$6401a8c0@gamebox> References: <010201c814c4$ddb8f210$6401a8c0@gamebox> Message-ID: <007b01c814c6$ee92fe30$cbb8fa90$@com> Ben, This is list of articles that I have read in learning how to implement div elements into what would have been a table layout. http://www.glish.com/css/. Hope it helps. Anthony W.i aw at sap8.com From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyLine) Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:02 PM To: NYPHP Talk Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Book search: The best DIV/CSS book? Hello All, I still used table based layouts. I try to remove all my style attributes and place them in .css files. However, I still haven't made the jump from table to div based layouts. I've looked at a few books, but haven't found one that really drove the point home. I have no formal HTML experiance, I just write it to get stuff done. So, can anyone recommend a great book for div/css? Good websites are fine too, but the lack of depth in most online articles/whitepapers about the topic leaves me wanting more. Thanks, - Ben Ben Sgro, President ProjectSkyLine - Defining New Horizons +1 718.487.9368 (N.Y. Office) Our company: www.projectskyline.com Our products: www.project-contact.com This e-mail is confidential information intended only for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonbaer at jonbaer.com Mon Oct 22 12:22:37 2007 From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:22:37 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Compiling PHP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <705E3518-BA18-4A54-B109-7BF354E7FEE7@jonbaer.com> First thing Id do is grab php-5.2.4 and mysql 5.0.45 sources and untar to /usr/local/src so you have them in case they are not there or outdated. Run "php -i | grep configure" and copy that to a handy file somewhere, it shows how your current php bin was built. Look for the mysql directives ... ./configure --help | grep mysql --with-mysql[=DIR] Include MySQL support. DIR is the MySQL base directory --with-mysql-sock[=DIR] MySQL: Location of the MySQL unix socket pointer. --with-mysqli[=FILE] Include MySQLi support. FILE is the optional pathname to mysql_config [mysql_config] --enable-embedded-mysqli MYSQLi: Enable embedded support --with-pdo-mysql[=DIR] PDO: MySQL support. DIR is the MySQL base directory Your configure should already point to apxs for your apache setup so you don't need to do anything w/ apache except restart when the recompile is done. When I did this before I learned my lesson of symlinking up versions of mysql (and php) so I could easily rollback. BTW, was mysql compiled in or is it shared? From what I recall if it is shared you can also jump into /ext/mysql and run phpize, configure, make and swap out the extension in php.ini. This would of course be a possibly less secure method. - Jon On Oct 22, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Jake McGraw wrote: > Hello All: > > We currently have PHP 5.2.4 installed on our web server. It was > compiled and installed with PHP MySQL library version 4.1.22 and our > MySQL Server version is 5.0.45. Until yesterday this hadn't caused us > any problems, but I believe it is now the source of the following > error: > > Unable to bind arguments to query: Using unsupported buffer type: 0 > (parameter: 1) > > My question is, How should I go about recompiling our PHP install with > a newer MySQL library? Do I need to make any changes to Apache once > this is done? If anyone could point me to a step by step guide I'd be > much obliged. > > Thanks, > - jake > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From ajai at bitblit.net Mon Oct 22 12:30:45 2007 From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Book search: The best DIV/CSS book? In-Reply-To: <7268FA6E-51B8-4E1D-A08C-E5282643E65B@jonbaer.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Jon Baer wrote: > I find pretty much all of the Friend of Ed series pretty insightful + > extremely helpful on the topic ... > > http://www.friendsofed.com > > Particularly the title "CSS Mastery" ... > > http://cssmastery.com > > HTH, (I can bring this to tomorrows XML DB meetup if interested). I believe the Friends of Ed title are also available as ebooks from Apress. -- Aj. From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com Mon Oct 22 14:25:47 2007 From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:25:47 -0700 Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Book search: The best DIV/CSS book? In-Reply-To: <010201c814c4$ddb8f210$6401a8c0@gamebox> References: <010201c814c4$ddb8f210$6401a8c0@gamebox> Message-ID: <23447-22126@sneakemail.com> Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyLine) ben-at-projectskyline.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote: > Hello All, > > I still used table based layouts. I try to remove all my style > attributes and place them in .css files. > However, I still haven't made the jump from table to div based layouts. > > I've looked at a few books, but haven't found one that really drove > the point home. > I have no formal HTML experiance, I just write it to get stuff done. > So, can anyone > recommend a great book for div/css? > > Good websites are fine too, but the lack of depth in most online > articles/whitepapers > about the topic leaves me wanting more. > > Thanks, > > - Ben > > Ben Sgro, President > ProjectSkyLine - Defining New Horizons > +1 718.487.9368 (N.Y. Office) Ben, If you're productive and just looking to move over to div layouts, I suggest you query the "CSS Box model" and study that concept first. It's the math behind page layout using divs, and IMHO you need it first in order to be productive no matter how you approach CSS for layout. There are two "box models" described on the web: the CSS box model for HTML elements, and the concept of page layout as a series of nested "boxes". Layout the page box model properly, and everything else seems to flow logically and comfortably. Not completely clear on the box model, and everything can seem like a P.I.T.A. This is a very good article on the box model behind CSS, but scan all the pages http://www.brainjar.com/css/positioning/ Visual people like this simple demo for the HTML element box model concept. http://redmelon.net/tstme/box_model/ and I like to go here for page layouts according to box model (page level) http://glish.com/css/ but they are not the latest. For the latest, as always you go to the CSS lists. Hope that helps. -=john -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Your web server traffic log file is the most important source of web business information available. Do you know where your logs are right now? Do you know who else has access to your log files? When they were last archived? Where those archives are? --John Andrews Competitive Webmaster and SEO Blogging at http://www.johnon.com From ajai at bitblit.net Mon Oct 22 15:15:43 2007 From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycphp-talk] Compiling PHP In-Reply-To: <705E3518-BA18-4A54-B109-7BF354E7FEE7@jonbaer.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Jon Baer wrote: > Your configure should already point to apxs for your apache setup so > you don't need to do anything w/ apache except restart when the > recompile is done. Rebuilding PHP by itself doesn't rebuild mod_php right? -- Aj. From ken at secdat.com Mon Oct 22 15:31:55 2007 From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:31:55 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] I think this is an encoding issue? In-Reply-To: <200710171621.58627.jellicle@gmail.com> References: <471660D2.3030603@secdat.com> <200710171621.58627.jellicle@gmail.com> Message-ID: <471CFAAB.2080309@secdat.com> Michael Sims wrote: > On October 17, 2007, Kenneth Downs wrote: > >> I'm wondering if somebody knows whats up here. >> >> I'm writing does in OO.org. Then I export them to xhtml. Those files I >> parse with PHP and output HTML. >> >> On my laptop this works out just fine. But on the production server you >> will see problem squiggly stuff instead of double-quotes, as on this >> page: >> >> http://www.andromeda-project.org/pages/cms/Making+Hyperlinks >> >> Can somebody give me a clue where to start Googling on this? >> > > When that page is sent, the web server is telling my browser that it's in > ISO-8859-1. It isn't. It's UTF-8. For Firefox, choose View, Character > Encoding, UTF-8, and suddenly the page will be rendered correctly, because > you told your browser to ignore what the webserver told it and render the > page in UTF-8. > > If I look at the headers that the webserver sent with the page, I see: > ------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:07:32 GMT > Server: Apache > X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.2-pl1-gentoo > Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT > Cache-Control: private > Pragma: no-cache > Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100 > Connection: Keep-Alive > Transfer-Encoding: chunked > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 200 OK > -------------------------------- > See that second to last line? That's wrong (as in, it doesn't match the > page you're serving). > > So either you need to write your app in ISO-8859-1, or you need to tell your > webserver to serve the proper header. You can do it in Apache or in PHP. > Here's a page of useful info: > > http://www.w3.org/International/O-HTTP-charset > > Probably the server on your laptop is configured slightly differently than > the production server. > > What *I* would do to solve this problem is get rid of the fancy curly quotes > altogether. They are nothing but trouble. While curly quotes in books > (dialogue) are nice for readability, where you're using them they're > definitely wrong. That is, if you write: > > > Mike, thanks for a very thorough reply. I did as you suggested, turned off that option in OO.org, did a search-and-replace on existing docs, and for the moment this allows me to ignore the mismatched encodings. > this is not correct HTML. HTML calls for the double-tick mark, not whatever > the curly quote character is, so if you cut-and-paste that into an HTML > document, it won't parse. You can turn off the curly quotes in > OpenOffice's options, so that it won't auto-convert the double-tick mark > for you anymore. > > Michael Sims > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > -- Kenneth Downs Secure Data Software, Inc. www.secdat.com www.andromeda-project.org 631-689-7200 Fax: 631-689-0527 cell: 631-379-0010 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliff at pinestream.com Mon Oct 22 17:10:15 2007 From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:10:15 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Application performance optimization Message-ID: I am testing my production site, and something seems to be very wrong. I just loaded my homepage and it took 53.46 seconds. Clearly unacceptable for a production web site. And there should be zero load on the site, since no-one knows about it. One 775 byte image took 23 seconds. A 51byte image took 6 seconds. The main script took 28 seconds. Pulling in a 60K javascript file took 10 seconds. When accessing the page a second time, where the images and Javascript are pulled from the browser cache, the load time is typically a more respectable 250msec ? about what I would expect. I know the script is fast ? for the homepage there is barely any load at all. The site seems to be choking on the static content. There are a lot of static images to download... Sure, I expect the static content to take a bit of time to pull in, but 56 seconds?! Are there setting in Apache (or elsewhere) that would stall the download of multiple image files? Number of simultaneous connections, etc. Any idea for how to debug this? I can debug php, for a slow static image? I?m clueless... Thanks, Cliff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at realm3.com Mon Oct 22 17:15:37 2007 From: brian at realm3.com (Brian D.) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:15:37 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Application performance optimization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cliff - are you on a shared host or a dedicated server? > On 10/22/07, Cliff Hirsch wrote: > > > > I am testing my production site, and something seems to be very wrong. I > > just loaded my homepage and it took 53.46 seconds. Clearly unacceptable for > > a production web site. And there should be zero load on the site, since > > no-one knows about it. One 775 byte image took 23 seconds. A 51byte image > > took 6 seconds. The main script took 28 seconds. Pulling in a 60K javascript > > file took 10 seconds. > > > > When accessing the page a second time, where the images and Javascript are > > pulled from the browser cache, the load time is typically a more respectable > > 250msec ? about what I would expect. > > > > I know the script is fast ? for the homepage there is barely any load at > > all. The site seems to be choking on the static content. There are a lot of > > static images to download... Sure, I expect the static content to take a bit > > of time to pull in, but 56 seconds?! > > > > Are there setting in Apache (or elsewhere) that would stall the download of > > multiple image files? Number of simultaneous connections, etc. Any idea for > > how to debug this? I can debug php, for a slow static image? I'm clueless... > > > > Thanks, > > Cliff > > _______________________________________________ > > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > > > From cliff at pinestream.com Mon Oct 22 17:16:32 2007 From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:16:32 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Application performance optimization In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/22/07 5:10 PM, "Cliff Hirsch" wrote: > I am testing my production site, and something seems to be very wrong. I just > loaded my homepage and it took 53.46 seconds. Clearly unacceptable for a > production web site. And there should be zero load on the site, since no-one > knows about it. One 775 byte image took 23 seconds. A 51byte image took 6 > seconds. The main script took 28 seconds. Pulling in a 60K javascript file > took 10 seconds. > > When accessing the page a second time, where the images and Javascript are > pulled from the browser cache, the load time is typically a more respectable > 250msec ? about what I would expect. > > I know the script is fast ? for the homepage there is barely any load at all. > The site seems to be choking on the static content. There are a lot of static > images to download... Sure, I expect the static content to take a bit of time > to pull in, but 56 seconds?! > > Are there setting in Apache (or elsewhere) that would stall the download of > multiple image files? Number of simultaneous connections, etc. Any idea for > how to debug this? I can debug php, for a slow static image? I?m clueless... > As usual, answering my own question in real-time. Item #1: KeepAlive is Off ? looks like this could be one potential problem so far -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim_lists at o2group.com Mon Oct 22 17:21:25 2007 From: tim_lists at o2group.com (Tim Lieberman) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:21:25 +0200 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Application performance optimization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds like your server is sick. If downloading a single sub-1k image is taking seconds upon seconds, something is seriously wrong. Do you have full control of the server, or is there someone at a hosting company that can look at this? I wouldn't start worrying about apache settings (which are pretty reasonable out of the box) until you're sure that there's not some runaway process on the box chewing up all sorts of resources, or (probably more likely) some local network issue near the server. -Tim On Oct 22, 2007, at 11:10 PM, Cliff Hirsch wrote: > I am testing my production site, and something seems to be very > wrong. I just loaded my homepage and it took 53.46 seconds. Clearly > unacceptable for a production web site. And there should be zero > load on the site, since no-one knows about it. One 775 byte image > took 23 seconds. A 51byte image took 6 seconds. The main script > took 28 seconds. Pulling in a 60K javascript file took 10 seconds. > > When accessing the page a second time, where the images and > Javascript are pulled from the browser cache, the load time is > typically a more respectable 250msec ? about what I would expect. > > I know the script is fast ? for the homepage there is barely any > load at all. The site seems to be choking on the static content. > There are a lot of static images to download... Sure, I expect the > static content to take a bit of time to pull in, but 56 seconds?! > > Are there setting in Apache (or elsewhere) that would stall the > download of multiple image files? Number of simultaneous > connections, etc. Any idea for how to debug this? I can debug php, > for a slow static image? I?m clueless... > > Thanks, > Cliff > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pjlists at pobox.com Mon Oct 22 17:22:14 2007 From: pjlists at pobox.com (=?BIG5?B?UC4gSnUgKKa2un7moik=?=) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:22:14 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Application performance optimization In-Reply-To: <7fb2405d0710221419p3867f891s2fd777d476aafece@mail.gmail.com> References: <7fb2405d0710221419p3867f891s2fd777d476aafece@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7fb2405d0710221422r32bc8b08jaa56613ca6b0d310@mail.gmail.com> Hi Cliff, Are you doing remote access of DB, images, or scripts? Recently DNS resolution with a freshly created site caused me 7-10 second access times to a remote database. PJ > On 10/22/07, Cliff Hirsch wrote: > > > > I am testing my production site, and something seems to be very wrong. I > > just loaded my homepage and it took 53.46 seconds. Clearly unacceptable for > > a production web site. And there should be zero load on the site, since > > no-one knows about it. One 775 byte image took 23 seconds. A 51byte image > > took 6 seconds. The main script took 28 seconds. Pulling in a 60K javascript > > file took 10 seconds. > > > > When accessing the page a second time, where the images and Javascript are > > pulled from the browser cache, the load time is typically a more respectable > > 250msec ? about what I would expect. > > > > I know the script is fast ? for the homepage there is barely any load at > > all. The site seems to be choking on the static content. There are a lot of > > static images to download... Sure, I expect the static content to take a bit > > of time to pull in, but 56 seconds?! > > > > Are there setting in Apache (or elsewhere) that would stall the download of > > multiple image files? Number of simultaneous connections, etc. Any idea for > > how to debug this? I can debug php, for a slow static image? I'm clueless... > > > > Thanks, > > Cliff > > _______________________________________________ > > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > > > > > -- > Patricia Ju > phj at pobox.com > +1-646-717-3871 > > success = fn(perseverance) > -- Patricia Ju phj at pobox.com +1-646-717-3871 success = fn(perseverance) From cliff at pinestream.com Mon Oct 22 17:26:32 2007 From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:26:32 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Application performance optimization In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Big-fat, honking dedicated, but was ready to switch to $3.95 shared. KeepAlive was off -- turning it on appears to have solved the problem. On 10/22/07 5:15 PM, "Brian D." wrote: > Cliff - are you on a shared host or a dedicated server? > >> On 10/22/07, Cliff Hirsch wrote: >>> >>> Are there setting in Apache (or elsewhere) that would stall the download of >>> multiple image files? Number of simultaneous connections, etc. Any idea for >>> how to debug this? I can debug php, for a slow static image? I'm clueless... From krook at us.ibm.com Mon Oct 22 17:35:23 2007 From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:35:23 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Application performance optimization In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Cliff, > I am testing my production site, and something seems to be > very wrong. I just loaded my homepage and it took 53.46 > seconds. Clearly unacceptable for a production web site. > And there should be zero load on the site, since no-one > knows about it. One 775 byte image took 23 seconds. A > 51byte image took 6 seconds. The main script took 28 > seconds. Pulling in a 60K javascript file took 10 seconds. > > When accessing the page a second time, where the images > and Javascript are pulled from the browser cache, the load > time is typically a more respectable 250msec ? about what > I would expect. > > I know the script is fast ? for the homepage there is > barely any load at all. The site seems to be choking on > the static content. There are a lot of static images to > download... Sure, I expect the static content to take a > bit of time to pull in, but 56 seconds?! > > Are there setting in Apache (or elsewhere) that would > stall the download of multiple image files? Number of > simultaneous connections, etc. Any idea for how to debug > this? I can debug php, for a slow static image? I?m clueless... > > Thanks, > Cliff Have a look at the site with the YSlow plugin for Firefox. It tests your site agains list of best practices from the performance guys at Yahoo: http://developer.yahoo.com/yslow/ You may also experience better performance if you offload your static files to a different hostname, e.g., www.example.org and img.example.org. This gets around maximum simultaneous connections to one server in the visitor's browser. Daniel Krook Content Tools Developer - SCSA, SCJP, SCWCD, ZCE, ICDAssoc. Global Solutions, ibm.com From cliff at pinestream.com Mon Oct 22 17:47:48 2007 From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:47:48 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Application performance optimization In-Reply-To: <7fb2405d0710221422r32bc8b08jaa56613ca6b0d310@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: No remote access -- everything is coming from the server. On 10/22/07 5:22 PM, "P. Ju (???)" wrote: > Hi Cliff, > > Are you doing remote access of DB, images, or scripts? Recently DNS resolution > with a freshly created site caused me 7-10 second access times to a > remote database. > > PJ From cliff at pinestream.com Mon Oct 22 17:49:40 2007 From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:49:40 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Application performance optimization In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have people working on it ? hopefully they?ll figure it out. On 10/22/07 5:21 PM, "Tim Lieberman" wrote: > Sounds like your server is sick.? If downloading a single sub-1k image is > taking seconds upon seconds, something is seriously wrong.? Do you have full > control of the server, or is there someone at a hosting company that can look > at this?? I wouldn't start worrying about apache settings (which are pretty > reasonable out of the box) until you're sure that there's not some runaway > process on the box chewing up all sorts of resources, or (probably more > likely) some local network issue near the server. > > -Tim > > On Oct 22, 2007, at 11:10 PM, Cliff Hirsch wrote: > >> I am testing my production site, and something seems to be very wrong. I >> just loaded my homepage and it took 53.46 seconds. Clearly unacceptable for a >> production web site. And there should be zero load on the site, since no-one >> knows about it. One 775 byte image took 23 seconds. A 51byte image took 6 >> seconds. The main script took 28 seconds. Pulling in a 60K javascript file >> took 10 seconds. >> >> When accessing the page a second time, where the images and Javascript are >> pulled from the browser cache, the load time is typically a more respectable >> 250msec ? about what I would expect. >> >> I know the script is fast ? for the homepage there is barely any load at >> all. The site seems to be choking on the static content. There are a lot of >> static images to download... Sure, I expect the static content to take a bit >> of time to pull in, but 56 seconds?! >> >> Are there setting in Apache (or elsewhere) that would stall the download of >> multiple image files? Number of simultaneous connections, etc. Any idea for >> how to debug this? I can debug php, for a slow static image? I?m clueless... >> >> Thanks, Cliff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliff at pinestream.com Mon Oct 22 18:08:06 2007 From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:08:06 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Application performance optimization In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> I am testing my production site, and something seems to be >> very wrong. I just loaded my homepage and it took 53.46 > Have a look at the site with the YSlow plugin for Firefox. It tests your > site agains list of best practices from the performance guys at Yahoo: > http://developer.yahoo.com/yslow/ > > You may also experience better performance if you offload your static > files to a different hostname, e.g., www.example.org and img.example.org. > This gets around maximum simultaneous connections to one server in the > visitor's browser. Thanks. This tool looks great! From cliff at pinestream.com Mon Oct 22 22:40:23 2007 From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:40:23 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sharing great css sprites link Message-ID: A great link to Yahoo?s performance plug-in in one of today?s threads eventually led me to this. Looks like a great solution to an image-intensive page. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/sprites http://spritegen.website-performance.org/ Enjoy, Cliff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcheung at tiscali.co.uk Tue Oct 23 04:13:18 2007 From: paulcheung at tiscali.co.uk (PaulCheung) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:13:18 +0100 Subject: [nycphp-talk] automatic redirection of PHP script References: Message-ID: <001301c8154c$921a6400$0300a8c0@X9183> Hi I was wondering if anybody knows? I am sure that others must have encountered this in the past. What I am trying to accomplish is a conditional exit from the current script, go to and execute another script without any manual intervention. Using the following pseudo code, I am fully aware it is not elegant but it serves to explain what I want to accomplish. If $Cost < 100 goto and execute script-a.php else if $Cost > 1000 goto and execute script-b.php else carry on; Normally I would be happy to supply real PHP coding but unfortunately I do not know how to execute what I want to. Paul From nasir81 at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 05:52:57 2007 From: nasir81 at gmail.com (Nasir Zubair) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:52:57 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] automatic redirection of PHP script In-Reply-To: <001301c8154c$921a6400$0300a8c0@X9183> References: <001301c8154c$921a6400$0300a8c0@X9183> Message-ID: <40fcda730710230252p139bdddy43591e25dfb9f55c@mail.gmail.com> The simplest way I can think of is: if($Cost < 100) { include('script-a.php'); exit(); } else if($Cost > 1000) { include('script-b.php'); exit(); } // if the above two "exit's" didn't get invoked, rest of the script will be processed. . . . . On 10/23/07, PaulCheung wrote: > > Hi > > I was wondering if anybody knows? I am sure that others must have > encountered this in the past. What I am trying to accomplish is a > conditional exit from the current script, go to and execute another > script > without any manual intervention. Using the following pseudo code, I am > fully > aware it is not elegant but it serves to explain what I want to > accomplish. > > If $Cost < 100 goto and execute script-a.php > else > if $Cost > 1000 goto and execute script-b.php > else > carry on; > > Normally I would be happy to supply real PHP coding but unfortunately I do > not know how to execute what I want to. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > -- Nasir Zubair http://www.nasir.us/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ramons at gmx.net Tue Oct 23 06:43:57 2007 From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:43:57 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] automatic redirection of PHP script In-Reply-To: <001301c8154c$921a6400$0300a8c0@X9183> References: <001301c8154c$921a6400$0300a8c0@X9183> Message-ID: <471DD06D.1030604@gmx.net> PaulCheung wrote: > Hi > > I was wondering if anybody knows? I am sure that others must have > encountered this in the past. What I am trying to accomplish is a > conditional exit from the current script, go to and execute another > script without any manual intervention. Using the following pseudo code, > I am fully aware it is not elegant but it serves to explain what I want > to accomplish. > > If $Cost < 100 goto and execute script-a.php > else > if $Cost > 1000 goto and execute script-b.php > else > carry on; > > Normally I would be happy to supply real PHP coding but unfortunately I > do not know how to execute what I want to. > > Paul You can use the HTML header redirect header("location:http://www.myserver.gov/script-a.php"); and send the browser to a different script. That will work only if you haven't sent output to the browser yet. David From jonbaer at jonbaer.com Tue Oct 23 07:34:58 2007 From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:34:58 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] automatic redirection of PHP script In-Reply-To: <001301c8154c$921a6400$0300a8c0@X9183> References: <001301c8154c$921a6400$0300a8c0@X9183> Message-ID: <0E19EE35-01B0-46CB-81FB-BCB015C49DF0@jonbaer.com> Another option ... switch(TRUE) { case($cost < 100): include("a.php"); break; case($cost > 1000): include("b.php"); break; default: break; } - Jon On Oct 23, 2007, at 4:13 AM, PaulCheung wrote: > Hi > > I was wondering if anybody knows? I am sure that others must have > encountered this in the past. What I am trying to accomplish is a > conditional exit from the current script, go to and execute > another script without any manual intervention. Using the following > pseudo code, I am fully aware it is not elegant but it serves to > explain what I want to accomplish. > > If $Cost < 100 goto and execute script-a.php > else > if $Cost > 1000 goto and execute script-b.php > else > carry on; > > Normally I would be happy to supply real PHP coding but > unfortunately I do not know how to execute what I want to. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From tedd at sperling.com Tue Oct 23 09:12:06 2007 From: tedd at sperling.com (tedd) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:12:06 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Character set issues revisited In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40710211621y47512a08ta24a9c36267727e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f0676b40710191807t75ae8faree8ea4c90a918670@mail.gmail.com> <8f0676b40710211621y47512a08ta24a9c36267727e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 7:21 PM -0400 10/21/07, John Campbell wrote: >The first thing to understand about character encoding is the overlap >between UTF-8 and 8859-1. Below is a sample >a - lower case a (Same in 8859-1 & UTF-8) >? - a acute (Available in 8859-1 & UTF8 but different values..) >?? - Chinese character (Not in 8859-1, in UTF-8) A small clarification -- it's not really overlap, but rather UTF-8 is a super-set containing 8859-1 like both contain ASCII. Other than that minor clarification, you've been spot-on with your advice. Cheers, tedd -- ------- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com From ioplex at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 11:12:21 2007 From: ioplex at gmail.com (Michael B Allen) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:12:21 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Character set issues revisited In-Reply-To: References: <8f0676b40710191807t75ae8faree8ea4c90a918670@mail.gmail.com> <8f0676b40710211621y47512a08ta24a9c36267727e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <78c6bd860710230812u73b8a270j70b161c9d34708da@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/07, tedd wrote: > At 7:21 PM -0400 10/21/07, John Campbell wrote: > >The first thing to understand about character encoding is the overlap > >between UTF-8 and 8859-1. Below is a sample > >a - lower case a (Same in 8859-1 & UTF-8) > >? - a acute (Available in 8859-1 & UTF8 but different values..) > >?? - Chinese character (Not in 8859-1, in UTF-8) > > A small clarification -- it's not really overlap, > but rather UTF-8 is a super-set containing 8859-1 > like both contain ASCII. Well if you want to be pedantic about it, "overlap" is more accurate. UTF-8 is a multibyte encoding of the Unicode charset. ISO-8859-1 is a single byte encoding of the ISO-8859-1 charset. So yes, Unicode is a superset of ISO-8859-1 but the UTF-8 encoding of values above 0x7f are not the same. Mike -- Michael B Allen PHP Active Directory SPNEGO SSO http://www.ioplex.com/ From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 11:52:43 2007 From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:52:43 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Compiling PHP In-Reply-To: References: <705E3518-BA18-4A54-B109-7BF354E7FEE7@jonbaer.com> Message-ID: <330532b60710230852l299306bu288b6812d61401c8@mail.gmail.com> On 10/22/07, Ajai Khattri wrote: > On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Jon Baer wrote: > > > Your configure should already point to apxs for your apache setup so > > you don't need to do anything w/ apache except restart when the > > recompile is done. > > Rebuilding PHP by itself doesn't rebuild mod_php right? Yes it does, if you passed the right arguments to configure. Remember that there are two different ways to build mod_php based on whether you're using Apache 1.x or Apache 2.x... -- Mitch From ali at vpproperty.com Tue Oct 23 12:26:41 2007 From: ali at vpproperty.com (ali mohammad) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:26:41 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] automatic redirection of PHP script In-Reply-To: <0E19EE35-01B0-46CB-81FB-BCB015C49DF0@jonbaer.com> References: <001301c8154c$921a6400$0300a8c0@X9183> <0E19EE35-01B0-46CB-81FB-BCB015C49DF0@jonbaer.com> Message-ID: <3E6F267FA8AEC34B88F8E679637000630C86CC@S48286.vpproperty.com> Based on your pseudo code, I am probably assuming you want to terminate the rest of the current script when it conditionally branches to one of your branch scripts. If so, make sure it does. Your pseudo code should more closely resemble the below statements if what I presumed is correct. ======================================================================= //script begin //script code common to all conditions... If ($cost < 100) { //execute branch script-a.php (could be with a header statement) //exit current script } else if ($cost > 1000) { //execute branch script-b.php (could be with a header statement) //exit current script } else { //carry on with the rest of the script. } ... //script code only applicable to the third 'default' case if any //script end ======================================================================== You can also consider an alternative approach based on Jon's solution that obviates the need for specific exit statements with header() redirections (and the additional work that may be involved with pushing potential GET/POST data you want to send to that redirected script if you are not or decide not to pass the data via session variables). //script begin //common script code applicable to all three cases... Switch (true) { Case ($cost < 100): include 'script-a.php'; break; Case ($cost > 1000) include 'script-b.php'; Break; Default: //Put in all specific statements that need to be executed //when $cost fails to meet above two conditions } //common script code applicable to all three cases //end of script Regards, Ali Mohammed. On Oct 23, 2007, at 4:13 AM, PaulCheung wrote: > Hi > > I was wondering if anybody knows? I am sure that others must have > encountered this in the past. What I am trying to accomplish is a > conditional exit from the current script, go to and execute > another script without any manual intervention. Using the following > pseudo code, I am fully aware it is not elegant but it serves to > explain what I want to accomplish. > > If $Cost < 100 goto and execute script-a.php > else > if $Cost > 1000 goto and execute script-b.php > else > carry on; > > Normally I would be happy to supply real PHP coding but > unfortunately I do not know how to execute what I want to. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From ben at projectskyline.com Wed Oct 24 09:11:47 2007 From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyLine)) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:11:47 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] Book search: The best DIV/CSS book? References: <010201c814c4$ddb8f210$6401a8c0@gamebox> <23447-22126@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: <003c01c8163f$6f8f1d60$6401a8c0@gamebox> > Ben, > > If you're productive and just looking to move over to div layouts, I > suggest you query the "CSS Box model" and study that concept first. It's > the math behind page layout using divs, and IMHO you need it first in > order to be productive no matter how you approach CSS for layout. There > are two "box models" described on the web: the CSS box model for HTML > elements, and the concept of page layout as a series of nested "boxes". > I believe that's the missing link. I went and got the CSS Mastery book. > Layout the page box model properly, and everything else seems to flow > logically and comfortably. Not completely clear on the box model, and > everything can seem like a P.I.T.A. Exactly. > > This is a very good article on the box model behind CSS, but scan all the > pages http://www.brainjar.com/css/positioning/ > Visual people like this simple demo for the HTML element box model > concept. http://redmelon.net/tstme/box_model/ > and I like to go here for page layouts according to box model (page level) > http://glish.com/css/ > but they are not the latest. For the latest, as always you go to the CSS > lists. > > Hope that helps. It does, thanks! And thanks to everyone else you posted. - Ben > > -=john > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Your web server traffic log file is the most important source of web > business information available. Do you know where your logs are right now? > Do you know who else has access to your log files? When they were last > archived? Where those archives are? --John Andrews Competitive Webmaster > and SEO Blogging at http://www.johnon.com > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From SHalter at ThorntonTomasetti.com Wed Oct 24 09:36:39 2007 From: SHalter at ThorntonTomasetti.com (Halter, Shari) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:36:39 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Native XML Databases References: <010201c814c4$ddb8f210$6401a8c0@gamebox><23447-22126@sneakemail.com> <20071024131018.C4FC8BC8039@gatekeeper.thettgroup.com> Message-ID: <20071024133914.AA9A1BC8245@gatekeeper.thettgroup.com> Great Native XML Database talk last night! Can you tell me where the slides are posted so I can digest some of that material? Shari L. Halter Web Programmer, Corporate Services Thornton Tomasetti 51 Madison Avenue New York, NY 10010 T 917.661.7800 F 917.661.7801 D 917.661.7970 SHalter at ThorntonTomasetti.com From brian at realm3.com Wed Oct 24 09:59:32 2007 From: brian at realm3.com (Brian D.) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:59:32 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Native XML Databases In-Reply-To: <20071024133914.AA9A1BC8245@gatekeeper.thettgroup.com> References: <010201c814c4$ddb8f210$6401a8c0@gamebox> <23447-22126@sneakemail.com> <20071024131018.C4FC8BC8039@gatekeeper.thettgroup.com> <20071024133914.AA9A1BC8245@gatekeeper.thettgroup.com> Message-ID: Yes, I want to second that and congratulate Elliotte on a very well put-together demonstration. I believe the slides can be found here: http://www.cafeconleche.org/slides/nyphp/xquery/01.html I work in the medical industry, and I've seen a lot of not-so-rectangular data stuffed into rectangular holes (see the NYPHP thread on "Flexible Forms" back in May, for example) and XML seems as if it would provide a nice alternative. The only thing that makes me hesitate is the relative infancy of the open source DB's available. I would have to be convinced that they are stable, long-term solutions, and so far I'm not seeing that. Some of the hybrid solutions out there, however, look quite viable. Again, thanks for the talk, Elliotte. On 10/24/07, Halter, Shari wrote: > > Great Native XML Database talk last night! Can you tell me where the > slides are posted so I can digest some of that material? > > > Shari L. Halter > Web Programmer, Corporate Services > Thornton Tomasetti > 51 Madison Avenue > New York, NY 10010 > T 917.661.7800 F 917.661.7801 > D 917.661.7970 > SHalter at ThorntonTomasetti.com > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > From rmarscher at beaffinitive.com Wed Oct 24 09:08:13 2007 From: rmarscher at beaffinitive.com (Rob Marscher) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:08:13 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paging Strategies In-Reply-To: <5d515c620710181408j780828c3v7bf17f0e820ae88f@mail.gmail.com> References: